[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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[3.1 Administration of Oath of Office to Planning Commissioner Margaret Simuro.]
TO AGENDA NUMBER THREE.WE HAVE SOMETHING EXCITING HERE,
UM, SO, UH, I GUESS, UH, SOMEBODY, MARSHA, YOU ARE GONNA ADMINISTER THE OATH OF, UH, OFFICE OF PLANNING COMMISSIONER FOR MARGARET RO.
DID I SAY IT RIGHT? ALL RIGHT.
I GUESS, YES, PLEASE STAND UP AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
AND YOU'RE GONNA REPEAT AFTER ME.
I'M MARGARET CIRO, AND IF YOU WANNA RAISE YOUR RIGHT, THERE WE GO.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND, THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE, THAT I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
DID I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY? DID I TAKE THIS OBLIGATION FREELY WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION, WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION, AND THAT I WILL WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE, AND THAT I WILL, WELL AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE DUTIES UPON WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER THE DUTIES BY WHICH I'M ABOUT TO ENTER.
DO YOU WANNA SIGN BOTH COPIES OF THE OATH? YES, WILL DO.
WELL, CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME.
UM, AT THIS POINT, UH, WE WILL MOVE TO AGENDA NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT.
AT THIS TIME, THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA, UM, IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE LAW.
NO ACTION OR DISCUSSION MAY TAKE PLACE ON ANY ITEM, NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY BRIEFLY RESPOND TO STATEMENTS MADE OR QUESTIONS ASKED.
UM, KATHY, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? NO, I DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS FOR ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
[5. CONSENT CALENDAR]
UM, NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO CONSENT CALENDAR.UM, CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ARE TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL IN NATURE AND ARE CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, WITH ONE SINGLE ACTION.
MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, STAFF OR THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO AN ITEM REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR FOR PURPOSES OF PUBLIC INPUT MAY REQUEST THE CHAIR TO REMOVE THE ITEM.
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY AT THIS POINT.
MOVING ON TO AGENDA NUMBER, UH, 5.1, CHAIR.
SO WE JUST NEED A, A MOTION TO MOVE.
UM, SO AT THIS POINT, UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION OR IF ANYBODY HAS ANY ISSUES WITH THE, UM, MEETING MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025.
UM, ANYONE HAS YOU GUYS, UM, I'M HOPING YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
I DID
IF YOU, ANY OF YOU HAVE ANYTHING, THIS IS THE TIME TO SPEAK UP.
UM, IF WE DON'T, THEN UH, I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON TO MAKING A MOTION.
UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE MOTION.
WANNA TURN ON THE MICROPHONE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2025.
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SEPTEMBER 9TH, 9 20 25.I GUESS, UH, KATHY, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO A ROLL CALL OR, RIGHT.
DO YOU WANNA DO THAT FOR THE MINUTES? NOT NECESSARY.
SO ALL IN FAVOR, WOULD YOU SAY? AYE.
UM, MOVING ON TO THE NEXT AGENDA
[6.1 Amendments to the Downtown Dublin Specific Plan and Dublin Municipal Code for Outdoor Live Entertainment (PLPA-004212-2025)]
ITEM, UM, AMENDMENTS TO DOWNTOWN DUBLIN, A SPECIFIC PLAN AND DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE FOR OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.UM, OKAY, AMY, IT'S, IT'S ALL YOU.
SO IT IS MY PLEASURE TO WELCOME JENNIFER BIAS, UH, WHO'S OUR NEW PRINCIPAL PLANNER.
JENNIFER STARTED WITH THE CITY IN SEPTEMBER, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE NOT SEEN HER YET, BUT YOU'LL BE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF HER.
UH, SO JENNIFER IS, UH, GOING TO GIVE YOU THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
MY NAME'S JENNIFER BIAS, AS AMY MENTIONED, AND I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE ALSO THAT OUR ASSISTANT PLANNER CHRISTINE BEGINS, WHICH I'M THINK THAT'S HOW SHE'S PRONOUNCES HER LAST NAME.
UM, DID A LOT OF THE LEGWORK ON THESE CHANGES THAT ARE PRESENTING TONIGHT, BUT WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER HARD WORK.
AND, UM, THE ITEM BEFORE YOU ARE CHANGES TO THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN AND THE DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE, UM, TO ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, JUST AS SOME BACKGROUND, AND KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TONIGHT IS THE DOWNTOWN OR DOWNTOWN DUBLIN SPECIFIC PLAN, THE VISION IN THAT PLAN IS TO CREATE A VIBRANT, DYNAMIC COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE COMMUNITY OR MIXED USE CENTERS THAT PROVIDES A WIDE ARRAY OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHOPPING SERVICES.
AND I AM JUST READING THE VISION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, DINING, WORKING, LIVING AND ENTERTAINMENT, AND A PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND AESTHETICALLY PLEASING SETTINGS THAT ATTRACT BOTH LOCAL AND REGIONAL RESIDENTS.
SO THIS IS WHAT OUR SPECIFIC PLAN IS VISION FOR THIS SPECIFIC PLAN IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND, AGAIN, IN 2023, WE DID A CITYWIDE CHANGE AND ADOPTED, UM, OUTDOOR SEATING GUIDELINES THAT TALKED ABOUT ENCOURAGING CREATIVE DESIGN WHILE ENRICHING THE DUBLIN COMMUNITY.
SINCE THAT ADOPTION, WE'VE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH SOME BUSINESS OWNERS TO ENCOURAGE A MIX OF COMPLIMENTARY LAND USES IN THE DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING EN ENTERTAINMENT.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING.
UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE WE ARE CHANGING IS WE'RE ADDING A NEW DEFINITION TO OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
AND AGAIN, HERE, I'M JUST GONNA READ THIS IN SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT WE MEAN WHEN I SAY OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, THE TERM OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SHALL MEAN LIVE ENTERTAINMENT THAT OCCURS IN AN OUTDOOR AREA, NOT WITHIN A FULLY ENCLOSED PERMANENT STRUCTURE ASSOCIATED WITH OUTDOOR DINING.
THIS INCLUDES LIVE MUSIC OR AMPLIFIED SOUND.
IN ADDITION, WE'RE ALSO ADDING STANDARDS FOR WHEN YOU CAN HAVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, AND WE'RE ALSO ADDING A SECTION AND ACKNOWLEDGING THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
IF YOU WERE, UM, WANTING TO INCLUDE THIS IN YOUR BUSINESS, AGAIN, JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THIS IS NOT A CITYWIDE CHANGE.
THIS CHANGE WILL ONLY, UM, THE OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WILL ONLY BE ALLOWED IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND THIS IS GENERALLY LOCATED EAST OF SAN RAMON ROAD AND WEST OF THE VILLAGE PARKWAY.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS, AGAIN, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED OUR DEFINITION, SO THAT DEFINITION WILL BE ADDED TO CHAPTER EIGHT.
THAT'S THE DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE UNDER DEFINITIONS.
THEN WE'RE ALSO ADDING A NEW CHAPTER 8.41 THAT WILL BE ENTITLED OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
IN THIS SECTION, WE'LL BE CITING IMPORTANTLY, AGAIN, IT'S LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN SPECIFIC PLAN, AND ALSO IT WILL BE ALLOWED IN OUTDOOR DINING AREAS.
UM, AND ALSO WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR WHAT AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA IS, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH OUR GUIDELINES THAT WE ALSO JUST APPROVED.
ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOURS OF OPERATIONS.
THIS, THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE LIMITED TO 10:00 AM TO 8:00 PM
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SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.AND THEN OUR FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHTS, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO 10:00 PM THE PROPOSALS ALL NEED TO MEET BUILDING AND FIRE CODE REGULATIONS, AND ALSO BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR, UM, CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE REGARDING LIMITS TO MUSIC AND HUMAN SPEECH.
AGAIN, UM, UH, WE ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING PERMITTING PROCEDURE FOR ZONING CLEARANCES.
THAT'S WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WITH THIS LAND USE.
BUT WE'RE ADDING, UM, SOME DEFINITIONS AROUND THAT ARE INCLUDING OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, IN THAT THE PROCESS WILL BE A ZONING CLEARANCE, WHICH IS MINISTERIAL, AND THAT MEANS IT IS AN APPROVAL.
IF YOU COME IN AND YOU MEET THE STANDARDS THAT ARE OUTLINED IN THAT SECTION WE TALKED ABOUT, STAFF WILL BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE IT, WHAT'S CALLED A ZONING CLEARANCE, AND YOU'LL BE ALLOWED TO DO THE ACTIVITY.
IF YOU CAN'T MEET THOSE STANDARDS, THEN YOU WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME IN AND APPLY FOR A MINOR USE PERMIT.
UM, THAT MIGHT BE IN SOME OPPORTUNITIES, THERE MIGHT BE MORE FLEXIBILITY NEEDED AND OR THEY EXCEED SOME STANDARDS.
SO THE USE PERMIT ALLOWS DISCRETION, UH, FOR APPROVAL, UM, THAT DON'T MEET THE ALREADY ESTABLISHED CRITERIA.
THIS ALLOWS US, AGAIN, TO MAKE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AND DETERMINATIONS AS NEEDED.
AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND, WE DID DO SOME, UH, REVIEW OF REGIONALLY, UH, WHAT ARE OUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES DOING.
UM, UH, INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS AN ATTACHMENT, UH, TABLE, WHICH HAS ATTACHMENT FOUR, WHICH LOOKS AT A FULL SUMMARY.
BUT I DID WANNA KIND OF TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PLEASANTON LIVERMORE AND SAN RAMON PLEASANTON.
THEY DO HAVE, UM, IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY HAVE A HOSPITALITY GUIDELINES THAT ALLOWS FOR OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT AND MUSIC, UM, IN THEIR CORE AREA IN THE DOWNTOWN.
AND THEN ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE CORE AREA, YOU'RE GETTING INTO A TEMPORARY OR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
AGAIN, BOTH OF THOSE TYPES OF PERMITS ARE DISCRETIONARY, ALLOWING US TO SET STANDARDS OR MITIGATIONS, UM, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO CON LAND USE CONFLICTS.
LIVERMORE, THEY HAVE, UH, CITYWIDE, THEY ALLOW IT THROUGH A TEMPORARY, OUTDOOR, TEMPORARY, EXCUSE ME, TEMPORARY USE PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN SAN RAMON, AGAIN, SIMILAR, THEY DO, UH, TEMPORARY USE PERMITS AND MINOR USE PERMITS.
AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF ACTIVITY WHERE YOU CAN ESTABLISH CONDITIONS SPECIFIC TO THE SITE AND WHAT'S BEING REQUESTED.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE WERE COMMON REGULATORY THEMES WHEN WE DID OUR RESEARCH, INCLUDING MAINTAINING NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY, REQUIRING DISCRETIONARY OR TEMPORARY USE PERMITS.
UM, THEY ALSO, AGAIN, MANAGED HOURS AND THERE WAS NOISE AND SAFETY ISSUES THAT EVERY COMMUNITY HAS TO ADDRESS WHEN LOOKING AT LAND USE.
BUT OVERALL, EACH CITY WAS TRYING TO BE FLEXIBLE FOR BUSINESSES WHILE PROTECTING, AGAIN, EXISTING OR NEIGHBORS NEARBY FURTHER PROPOSED CHANGES.
WE DID COMPLY WITH ALL THE PUBLIC NOTICING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIGN BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
UM, THAT INCLUDED TRIBAL CONSULTATION BECAUSE WE ARE, UM, CHANGING OUR SPECIFIC PLAN.
THERE WAS NO REQUEST BY ANY TRIBE FOR A CONSULTATION.
WE ALSO ARE REQUIRED TO DO A 20 DAY PUBLIC NOTICE FOR CHANGES INTO THE ZONING CODES.
WE ALSO DID OUR POSTING AND NOTICING, UH, WITH POSTCARDS BEING MAILED OUT.
AND I'M AT MY RECOMMENDATION SLIDE.
SO TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO CONDUCT, OH, I MISSED ONE ITEM.
WE DID RECEIVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.
UM, ON THIS ITEM, IT'S ATTACHMENT SIX.
THAT WAS, UM, NOT IN SUPPORT OF THESE CHANGES, CITING THAT THERE WERE CONCERNS REGARDING EXISTING NOISE SITUATIONS AS WELL AS THIS BEING ADDITIVE TO DOWNTOWN NOISE.
UM, AND THEN I'M AT, UH, ALSO WE ARE PROVIDING A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CHANGES BE CONSIDERED EXEMPT, UM, UNDER CQA.
AND TONIGHT WE'RE HERE TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN ALSO REQUEST THAT YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THESE CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, JENNIFER.
UM, QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTIONS HERE? GO AHEAD.
I, THE STAFF REPORT WAS USEFUL, UH, TO DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON.
UM, MY FIRST ONE IS, UH, I THINK REGARDING THIS HOURS OF OPERATION, RIGHT? AT LEAST, UH, I'M ASSUMING THAT SOME KIND OF A SURVEY INDICATED, UH,
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THAT BUSINESS OWNERS PREFERRED WEEKEND TIME TO BOOST THEIR SALES AND OTHER THINGS AFTER OUR ACTIVITY.RIGHT? AND I SAW THE TIMING WAS LIKE SUNDAY TO THURSDAY UP TO 8:00 PM AND THEN ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY UP TO 10:00 PM RIGHT.
UH, JUST I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, UH, HOW ARE THE SPECIFIC, UH, END ENDING TIMES DETERMINED TO OPTIMALLY BALANCE AND, UH, BALANCE THE GOAL OF ECONOMIC VITALITY WITH, UH, ENSURING WE ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE RESIDENCES AROUND? RIGHT.
BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S A LOT OF MIXED USE ALSO IN THAT AREA.
UM, I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU'RE KIND OF ASKING HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE PROPOSED HOURS? UM, AND IT'S KIND OF BALANCING, AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING.
AND THEN, YES, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS AND, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNERS CITYWIDE.
AND THEY DID SEND OUT A SURVEY, UM, REGARDING, UH, OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
AND, UM, THE SURVEY WAS WELL RECEIVED, BUT NOT A LOT OF RESPONSES PROVIDED.
UM, BUT THE RESPONSES THAT WE DID GET INDICATED, UH, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHTS WERE THEIR MOST INTERESTED TIMES TO DO THIS TYPES OF ACTIVITIES.
AND AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE HOURS ARE SIMPLY BASED ON THE ADJACENT JURISDICTIONS.
I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE QUESTIONS.
UM, I SAW THE ATTACHMENT SIX, UH, ONE OF THE RESIDENT WERE WRITTEN THAT I HAD A SIMILAR QUESTION ON THE NOISE COMPLIANCE ACTUALLY.
UM, I KNOW THIS AMPLIFIED SOUND, WHICH WAS MENTIONED HERE.
I DON'T KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE LEVELS ARE AND WHAT IS THE GUIDANCE, WHAT DECIBEL IT SHOULD BE, ET CETERA.
UH, JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND LIKE, HAVE WE CONSIDERED LIKE, UH, THE DECIBEL LIMITS? HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT? LIKE, OR ANY MONITORING PROCEDURES FOR THOSE? UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, STAFF WANTS TO HAVE SOME KIND OF A COMPLIANCE IF WE ARE GOING TO GIVE PERMISSIONS FOR, UH, SOUND, WHICH THEY CAN PLAY MUSIC OUTSIDE.
SO, UM, NOISE, RIGHT? THE, WE'RE INCLUDING THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET THE, THE EXISTING CITY STANDARDS FOR NOISE AND KIND OF SIMPLY PUT, UM, IT IS A REASONABLE STANDARD, MEANING YOU CAN'T MAKE MORE NOISE THAN WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLY ALLOWED.
UH, THAT WOULD BE, AGAIN, DETRIMENTAL TO PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT, WELFARE.
UM, SO THERE ISN'T A HARD AND FAST STANDARD THAT WOULD BE MEASURED AGAINST.
IT'S A REASONABLE STANDARD THAT EXISTS TODAY FOR ANYBODY DOING, UM, ANY ACTIVITIES IN THE CITY.
UM, IF WE DID RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, AGAIN, WE DID SPEND QUITE A BIT OF TIME, AND IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BIGGER TABLE OF SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS, TALKING TO THEIR STAFF AND ASKING ABOUT WHAT ARE THEIR NOISE REGULATIONS, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DO THEY GET, HOW DO THEY ENFORCE THOSE COMPLAINTS? UM, BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS A LITTLE DIFFICULT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A COMPLAINING PARTY, IN PARTICULAR IN EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS, UM, TO SOMETIMES ADDRESS, TO DOCUMENT AND ADDRESS THOSE COMPLAINTS.
WE GOT A VARYING ANSWERS, DEPENDING ON, AGAIN, HOW MUCH ACTIVITY EACH OF THE COMMUNITIES HAD.
UM, SO WE ARE STICKING, OR WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE STICK WITH OUR EXISTING STANDARD OF A REASONABLE, AND THEN IF WE DO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, UH, WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD TO, UM, INVESTIGATE AND ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE COMPLAINTS.
AND THEN I'M GONNA KICK IT OVER TO AMY TO SEE IF SHE'S GOT MORE TO ADD TO THAT RESPONSE.
UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE TO ADD.
I THINK YOU HANDLED THAT REALLY WELL.
UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, SO HAPPY TO HELP.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE, ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE MUP, WHICH YOU TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT? UM, THE MINOR USE PERMIT, RIGHT? I MEAN, AT LEAST, UM, MAYBE YOU CAN GIVE SOME CONCRETE EXAMPLES SPECIFICALLY IN THAT SITE AREA, LIKE, UH, THE EAST OF, UH, SANDON AND WEST OF VILLAGE PARKWAY, RIGHT? UH, THE QUESTION IS LIKE MORE AROUND, LET'S SAY THERE IS A BUSINESS AND THEY HAVE SOME LIKE KIND OF PARKING DEFICITS OR, UH, SOME ACCESS LIMITATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, RIGHT? AND USUALLY THAT THOSE KIND OF THINGS WILL TRIGGER THE, UM, MINOR, UH, MUS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WILL, WILL THAT BE OBJECTED BY THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE CLOSE BY TO THAT AREA? SO I WANNA JUST MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.
UM, YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT WHAT WOULD A USE PERMIT REQUIRED IF THEY CAN'T GET ACCESS OR NEED TO TAKE OUT PARKING? YEAH, AND I THINK, AGAIN, KIND OF BUILDING ON OUR EXISTING REGULATIONS, WE DON'T ALLOW, UM, PARKING TO BE REMOVED OUT OF LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER, UM, OR PUBLIC SIDEWALK AREA FOR AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA.
SO THE O THE, BY KIND OF THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF HOW OUR CODE IS SET UP, BECAUSE WE'RE DEFINING THIS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HAVING TO OCCUR
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IN AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA.THAT OUTDOOR DINING AREA ALSO HAS TO MEET REGULATIONS FOR BUILDING A DU ACCESSIBILITY.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF THEY'RE GONNA RENT POWER OUT THERE FOR AMPLIFIED, AMPLIFIED MUSIC, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THAT BEING DONE? IS IT DONE SAFELY? SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT PROCESS.
AND IF THEY CAN'T MEET THE PROCESS, AGAIN, IF YOU CAN'T MEET A HEALTH AND SAFETY STANDARD, IT WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO GO THROUGH A DISCRETIONARY PROCESS TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET THAT STANDARD, LIKE ACCESS OR, OR, UM, YOU KNOW, A, A A FIRE, FIRE ISSUE.
UM, BUT IF FOR SOME REASON THEY WANTED TO STAY OPEN UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D SAY, WE, YOU CAN'T GO PAST 10 ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.
AND THEY'D SAY, NOPE, I NEED 11.
THEY COULD COME IN AND ASK FOR 11, AND THEN WE'D SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T MEET THE 10, SO NOW YOU HAVE TO GO TO A USE PERMIT STANDARD AND KIND OF JUSTIFY.
AND THAT WOULD VINCE, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT, OKAY, IS THERE SURROUNDING, UH, RESIDENTS, WHAT MUSIC, WHAT ACTIVITY, WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON? WHAT'S THE SURROUNDING, UM, BUILT ENVIRONMENT? WHERE WOULD NOISE HAPPEN? WHERE WOULD PEOPLE PARK? UM, SO THAT GIVES US THAT OPPORTUNITY.
BUT IF THEY COME IN AND THEY COMPLIED WITH THE EXISTING STANDARDS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, UM, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THE ACTIVITY.
I HAVE A FEW MORE, BUT I'LL WAIT FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO ASK.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE? UM, I CAN START FROM THIS CORNER, IF THAT'S OKAY.
JUST TO ADD ON WHAT, UH, WHAT COMMISSIONER BADAM HAS MENTIONED.
UM, SO JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE DISTANCE PROVIDED FROM THE RESIDENTS TO THE AMPLIFIER? WHATEVER IS ALLOWED WHERE THEY COULD, YEAH, THERE ISN'T A MEASUREMENT OR A DISTANCE THAT WE'RE ESTABLISHING WITH THESE CHANGES.
AGAIN, IF THERE WAS CONCERNS OVER NOISE AND, UH, SOMEBODY DID COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, THERE WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION ON THAT TO SEE IF IT'S A RE IF IT MEETS THE REASONABLE STANDARD.
ALSO, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT HOW NOISE AND REGULATIONS WORK.
IMAGINE A A SHOPPING CENTER THAT HAS ONE BIG LANDOWNER, ONE PROPERTY LINE, AND THE ACTIVITY IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND MAYBE 50 MORE FEET TO A RESIDENCE.
IF WE SAID PROPERTY LINE 50 FEET, THEY'D MEET THAT.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD WITHOUT LOOKING AT EXACTLY THE SITE SPECIFICS TO SAY, THIS IS HOW, UH, WE WANNA ADD A MEASUREMENT.
YOU, YOU WOULD KIND OF BE A LITTLE ARBITRARY TO SAY, OH, IF 50 FEET SHOULD BE GOOD, OKAY.
BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUILDINGS ARE IN BETWEEN, YOU DON'T, AGAIN, KNOW WHERE, UM, THINGS OUT LAY OUT.
SO ALSO, I THINK, UM, IN GENERAL, UH, DOWNTOWN, RIGHT, WE'RE, WE'RE ENVISIONING A VIBRANT LIVE ACTIVE COMMUNITY.
AND THIS IS PART OF IT IS TO GET PEOPLE AND PEDESTRIANS BACK INTO THE DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT MIGHT GO ON LATER IN THE EVENING.
UH, ONE MORE QUESTION IS, UH, REGARDING, CAN THIS BE, EVEN THOUGH IT IS MAINLY FOR THE, UM, YEAH, SO MORE AS AN OPEN SPACE, CAN THIS BE USED AS AN EMERGENCY, UM, SPACE? LIKE KIND OF ANY KIND OF, UH, DISASTER OR ANYTHING WHERE WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE WITH A TEMPORARY DEBT? IS IT ALLOWED? UM, I AM NOT SURE IF YOU COULD CLARIFY THAT QUESTION A LITTLE MORE FOR ME.
SO IT, THERE COULD BE ANY NATURAL CALAMITY OR ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.
SO WHICH, CAN THE SPACE BE USED FOR ANY COMMON PURPOSE LIKE, OR THE RESIDENT? NO, AGAIN, THIS IS STILL HAPPENING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO WITHIN THESE SHOPPING CENTERS OR RESTAURANT AREAS, OUTDOOR DINING, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD ALLOW SOMEBODY TO SET UP AN OUTDOOR DINING AREA IN PUBLIC SPACE.
SO IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE PUBLIC SPACE.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THEIR PRIVATE BUSINESS.
SO IF THE PRIVATE BUSINESS SOMEHOW WANTED TO OPEN IT UP DURING AN EMERGENCY, THEY COULD, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A CITY STREET OR CITY PARK OR CITY PROPERTY OR PUBLIC SPACE THAT ANYBODY COULD USE.
DOES THAT HELP ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? OKAY.
UH, THANK YOU JENNIFER, FOR THE, FOR THE INTRODUCTION.
AND I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO REGARDING TO THE, UH, NOISE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK FOR THE, UH, FOR THE FRONT MAP, THE RETAIL DISTRICT, THERE ARE NEARBY A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL, THESE BUILDINGS THERE.
SO IS THERE CAN BE SETTING UP SOME LIKE NOISE REDUCED, UM, SETUP TO TRYING TO REDUCE NOISE BECAUSE IT, I THINK IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE, UM, RETAIL DISTRICT IF THERE IS FEASIBLE OR NOT.
AND RIGHT NOW OUR STANDARD DOESN'T HAVE, UH, A REQUIREMENT TO REDUCE NOISE.
AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT CHANGES TO CODE AND POLICIES.
THERE ISN'T A SPECIFIC, WE KNOW THIS BUSINESS IS GONNA COME IN AND THEY HAVE AN OUTDOOR D DINING AREA AND THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND.
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AGAIN, WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE PROP PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD TAKE SOME CONSIDERATIONS INTO HOW THEY SET UP, MAYBE IF THEY'RE DOING SPEAKERS OR SOME KIND OF ACTIVITY, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.AND AGAIN, ULTIMATELY IF IT WERE TO, UM, CAUSE A PROBLEM THE CITY WOULD GET INVOLVED IN AND HAVE TO ADDRESS AGAIN UNDER OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.
I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT I MIGHT ADD FOR CLARIFICATION, UH, IS THAT, UM, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE ADDING IS A LAND USE, RIGHT? AND A PROCESS TO IMPLEMENT THAT LAND USE.
AND SO THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH ALSO INCLUDES DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, RIGHT? SO THE DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
SO, UH, WHICH IS, WHICH WAS EIGHT, UH, 10 TO EIGHT, AND THEN 10 TO 10, RIGHT? FRIDAY TO SATURDAY.
UH, AND THEN ALSO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO IT'S THOSE THINGS COLLECTIVELY THAT HELP, UH, THE COMPATIBILITY ISSUE WITH THIS AND THE RESIDENTIAL.
SO THE QUESTION FOR THE COMMISSION IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON HOW WE HAVE SET THAT UP, RIGHT? IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE, HOPEFULLY YOU AGREE.
UH, WE DID A BUNCH OF RESEARCH ON THIS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK YOU THROUGH OUR THOUGHT PROCESS.
BUT THAT, JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
I KNOW THAT JENNIFER SAID IT, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION.
UM, OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IS LIMITED TO OUTDOOR DINING AREAS ONLY.
SO IT'S ONLY RESTAURANTS AND ONLY RESTAURANTS THAT HAVE OUTDOOR DINING.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF SAFEWAY DOWNTOWN WANTED TO DO THIS, THE ANSWER IS NO, THEY'RE NOT A RESTAURANT.
THEY DON'T HAVE OUTDOOR DINING EITHER.
CAN A GAS STATION, RIGHT? SO THINK ABOUT, UH, HOW MANY RESTAURANTS ARE IN THE DOWNTOWN.
THINK ABOUT HOW MANY OF THOSE HAVE OUTDOOR DINING.
THINK ABOUT HOW MANY OF THOSE MAYBE WILL WANT TO ADD OUTDOOR DINING AGAIN.
I'M GONNA GO BACK TO YOU COMMISSIONER OMI.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS.
UH, TNC, THE TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS ALSO THAT WAS THERE AS PART OF THE DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? UM, IF THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, GO AHEAD AND HOLD THOSE QUESTIONS NEXT.
I THINK WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC HEARING THEN.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN, UM, NOW FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.
UH, KATHY, DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC? YES, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE PUBLIC SPEAKERS.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS HERE IN PERSON.
UM, PRESS THE, PRESS THE BUTTON TO, UH, YOUR MICROPHONE, THE BOTTOM OF THE MICRO.
YOU OKAY? FIRST, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UH, I JUST MOVED TO DUBLIN RECENTLY, UH, THIS YEAR.
AND BECAUSE IT'S A QUIET TOWN, SAN FRANCISCO WAS TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE BACK TO SAN FRANCISCO.
WHAT HAPPENED IS EVERY OTHER STREET HAS NIGHT EVENTS MUSIC UNTIL TO 10:00 PM I CANNOT SLEEP AT ALL.
THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR A SLEEPING TOWN.
AND ALSO IN MY COMMUNITY, MOST FOLKS ARE BLUE COLLAR WHO ARE TAKING TWO JOBS.
WHO LEAVES THE PROPERTY AT 5:00 AM IN THE MORNING, COME BACK AT NINE, READY TO CRASH TO MAKE THE ENDS MEET.
IF I UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IN REVENUES.
THIS PROBABLY IS A GREAT THING.
'CAUSE NOT ONLY EVERYONE'S LIFE IS STRUGGLING, I'M SURE ALL THE CITY'S LIFE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE BUDGET.
SO HOW CAN WE FIRST IS CONSIDERING EVERYONE DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC AND COMMUNITY WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH THEIR LIFE AND IN A QUIET PLACE TO SLEEP.
SECOND THING, WINNING THIS RANGE, YOU DO HAVE SEVERAL SENIOR HOUSING SENIORS, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, YOUR AGING PARENTS, THEY USUALLY GO TO SLEEP AROUND EIGHT 30 OR 9, 9 30 AT THE LATEST.
IF THEY DON'T SLEEP AROUND THAT TIME OR DON'T GET TOO DEEP SLEEPING, THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY IS AT RISK AND THEIR HOUSE CONDITIONS GOING DOWN QUICKLY.
SO HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE FROM THOSE SENIOR LIVING FACILITY, THEY HEAR THE NOISE LEVEL BASED ON THE DB LEVEL,
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YOU CAN CONTROL UNDER 20 OR 30 AT NIGHT BEFORE 9:00 PM.THIRD THING YOU GUYS KNOW, THE REASON WHY DUBLIN'S PROPERTY TAX IS AMAZING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEST SCHOOL DISTRICT.
YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORKING HARD KIDS THERE STAYING AT HOME AND A QUIET NIGHT ON SET EVERY NIGHT, SATURDAY, SUNDAY, THEY'RE STARTING HARD, RIGHT? THEY'RE ACHIEVING THEIR BEST POTENTIAL.
HOW DO WE AS ADULT GUARDIAN TO PROVIDE A QUIET ENVIRONMENT FOR THEM CAN CONCENTRATE AND STUDY AND NOT BEING DISTURBED? RIGHT? AND THE FIRST ONE, WE REALLY WANT TO HELP OUR BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE REALLY STRUGGLING.
THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IS THE BACKBONE OF OUR ECONOMY AND SOCIETY WHO HAS BEEN REALLY STRUGGLING LAST FEW YEARS.
I UNDERSTAND THIS MUSIC THING IS, COULD BE A GR REALLY GREAT THING.
IF YOU GO TO LOS ADOS DOWNTOWN EVERY FRIDAY, FRI 5:00 PM TO 6:00 PM ENTIRE TOWN, 10, 10 SECONDS LEFT, SORRY, ENTIRE TOWN.
SO THINK ABOUT HOW CAN WE COME UP A COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION? TIME IS UP.
BUT THEN I'M AGAINST THE 2:10 PM I WILL APPRECIATE CONSIDER 9:00 PM THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC SPEAKER THAT IS VIA ZOOM.
SO JUST GIMME ONE SECOND TO SHARE MY TIMER FOR THAT.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER IS MONIQUE RICHARDSON.
SO, UM, I'M MONIQUE AND I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF DUBLIN AND I LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL STRIP ON VILLAGE PARKWAY IN AMADOR VALLEY.
AND I'M HERE TODAY NOT TO OPPOSE THE VITALITY OF OUR GROWING DOWNTOWN, BUT TO ASK THAT WE CAN BALANCE THE EXCITEMENT WITH SOME PEACE AND QUALITY OF THE LIFE OF THE HOMES THAT BORDER IT.
WHEN WE MOVED HERE, IT WAS ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO AND AGO, AND WE ACCEPTED THE OCCASIONAL NOISE THAT COMES WITH LIVING NEAR A SHOPPING CENTER.
WE HAD A PREDICTABLE ROUTINE, THE OCCASIONAL CLEANUP, NOISE SCHEDULED EVENTS.
WE KIND OF KNEW WHEN TO EXPECT IT AND FOR HOW LONG.
AND IT WAS, IT, IT NEVER HAPPENED IN THE EVENING OR IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY IN THE LAST DECADE, THIS COMPROMISE HAS BEEN BROKEN BY UNCONTROLLED EXPANSION.
WHEN THE ACE HARDWARE STORE WAS PROPOSED, I'VE RAISED MY CONCERNS ABOUT IT AND THE IMPACT ON OUR HOMES AND I WAS ASSURED THAT THEY, ALL MY CONCERNS WERE UNFOUNDED.
AND THE REALITY SADLY IS, IS THAT THE ASSURANCES WERE INCORRECT.
'CAUSE WE CONTINUOUSLY GET NOISE FROM THE LARGE STORE OPERATIONS.
WE GET DELIVERIES AND ONGOING CONSTRUCTION IT AND IT'S NO LONGER OCCASIONAL.
IT'S PRETTY CONSTANT WITH DAILY INTRUSIONS.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, A LOT HAS CHANGED IN THIS WORLD AND WE BASICALLY ARE WORKING FROM HOME.
AND, UM, THESE HOMES HAVE BEEN HERE MUCH LONGER THAN THE RECENT EXPANSIONS.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE DESERVE SOME KIND OF COMPROMISE THAT ALLOWS US TO STAY HERE IN OUR HOUSE.
SO I JUST FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE AREN'T UNREASONABLE REQUESTS.
THE FIRST ONES I'M KIND OF, I'M SUPPORTING THE DOWNTOWN EVENTS, BUT I'M ASKING THAT THE OUTDOOR LIVE MUSIC, ESPECIALLY THE AMPLIFIED SOUND, WHICH IS VERY OBJECTIVE ON HOW LOUD IS LOUD, BE RESTRICTED TO LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY NEAR THE ESTABLISHED RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINES.
AND SECONDLY, I'VE BEEN REQUESTING A SOUND BARRIER FOR YEARS.
SOME KIND OF DAMPENING WALL BETWEEN US AND THE STRIP MALL BEHIND US.
UM, IF IT CAN'T BE BUILT ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF BECAUSE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH I'VE BEEN TOLD, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY OF DUBLINS CAN'T SOMEHOW PUT IT LIKE BETWEEN THE CREEK AND WHERE WE ARE IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP TREMENDOUSLY WITH THE ONGOING NOISE THAT IS BUILDING AS THE YEARS PROGRESS.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOWNTOWN THING SHOULDN'T COME AT THE EXPENSE OF THE LONG RESIDENCE.
AND I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW WORK TOGETHER TO IMPLEMENT THE SOUND BARRIER AND THE COMMON SENSE MUSIC RESTRICTIONS THAT, THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED BY MYSELF AND SOME OTHER NEIGHBORS HERE.
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YOU KNOW, I WANT THE CITY TO CONTINUE GROWING, BUT I HOPE THAT WE CAN ALSO LOOK OUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BUILT THIS COMMUNITY.THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENT.
UM, MY HUSBAND ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION HE WANTED TO ASK AS WELL, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
IS THAT DARREN RICHARDSON? YES.
BUT I HAD ANOTHER PUBLIC SPEAKER SLIP SUBMITTED FOR DARREN RICHARDSON.
YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T LOG IN SEPARATELY.
YOU GOT THREE MINUTES, YOU CAN SPEAK.
UM, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE, IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE, UH, IT, THIS WAS LIMITED TO RESTAURANTS AND OUTDOOR, UH, AREAS FOR, FOR DINING.
UM, WHAT'S TO STOP THEM FROM CREATING OUTDOOR DINING AREAS ON THE BACKSIDE OF THEIR BUSINESS WHERE WE, UH, ARE NEXT TO THEM, UM, ACROSS THE CREEK AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
SO, UH, WHAT WOULD STOP THEM FROM MAKING THAT AN OUTDOOR AREA AND HAVING LIVE MUSIC OUT THERE, WHICH WOULD DIRECTLY AFFECT US? ARE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS AS TO WHERE THEY CAN HAVE THESE OUTDOOR EVENTS? IS IT GONNA BE MORE WHERE, WHERE IT'S OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESS AND NOT BEHIND IT? I MEAN, THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM BACK THERE FOR THEM TO START A CONCERT HALL, AND I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION FOR, FOR THOSE KIND OF LIMITATIONS SO THAT IT DOESN'T AFFECT, UH, US DIRECTLY, I MEAN, LITERALLY DIRECTLY
SO THAT, THAT'S MY QUESTION IN MY STATE.
AND THAT IS ALL FOR THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM.
WITH THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO NOW WE'VE HAD THE PRESENTATION, WE HAD SOME CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, AND NOW I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, WE CAN MAKE A MOTION IF WE ARE READY AND THEN WE CAN ALSO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ACTUALLY VOTE FOR IT.
SO LET'S GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UM, YOU GUYS WANNA DISCUSS ANYTHING BEFORE YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? WOO.
UM, UM, YEAH, I LIKE THE IDEA FOR THE OUTDOOR, LIKE A LIVE YOU, UM, LIKE A MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, BUT HERE'S THE, THE, THE HOURS OPERATION, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR MOST OF THE CITY IN PLEASANTON CEREMONY, EVEN COLORADO YEAH, THEY, THEY HAVE THE OUTDOOR LIFE MUSIC, BUT NORMALLY IT'S A WEEKENDS NOT KNOW WEEK DAYS BECAUSE WEEK THIS, NOBODY WANNA HEAR.
THEY NOT LIVE MUSIC, YOU KNOW, NOT LONG BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO TO WORK THE NEXT MORNING AND THE KIDS NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL.
AND THEN ALSO MOST OF THE, UH, LIVE MUSIC, THEY, THEY, THEY HAVE THOSE KIND EVENTS OR ENTERTAINMENT DURING SUMMERTIME, NOT WINTERTIME.
LIKE RIGHT NOW, NOBODY WANNA STAY OUTSIDE.
SO I, I THINK, AND IF DONE THAT LIKE, UH, LIVE MUSIC, THEN THAT, THAT, THOSE KIND OF THINGS GONNA, IF WE CAN LIMIT IT IN THE SUMMERTIME AND OVER THE WEEKEND ACTUALLY CAN NATURAL DRAW MORE PEOPLE.
'CAUSE SOME DON THEY CAN HAVE MORE BUSINESS.
OTHERWISE EVEN YOU, YOU KNOW, HAVE ENOUGH, YOU GO THERE.
I, I, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW MANY PEOPLE GONNA STAY OUT THERE SPLIT RIGHT NOW, LIKE WINTERTIME.
SO MAYBE IN THE, THE HOURS OF THE OPERATION, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE, LIKE, UH, LIKE FRIDAY OR SATURDAY, UM, TILL 9, 9 30 OR EVEN 10 PROBABLY'S.
UM, WEEKDAYS OR SUNDAY, UH, MAYBE IN THE INDOOR IS PROBABLY IS FINE, BUT OUR DOOR, I DON'T KNOW.
OR I THINK ANYBODY ELSE AT THIS POINT, YES.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE PUBLIC COMMENT COMES FROM, UM, AND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE IN BETWEEN, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS AND HOW YOU CAN'T REALLY CONTROL THAT.
BUT WHAT, WHAT DOES CONTROL, IF WE THINK ABOUT THE VILLAGE PARK AREA THAT, UM, WOULD PREVENT A, A RESTAURANT FROM HAVING, UM,
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OUTSIDE AREAS, BECAUSE IF YOU DO THIS, I CAN SEE THAT EVERYONE'S BE LIKE, WELL, WE'LL HAVE OUTSIDE AREAS.UM, IS THAT, HOW IS THAT ESTABLISHED OR APPROVED? IS THAT APPROVED BY THE LANDLORD OR IS THAT APPROVED BY THE CITY, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION? SURE.
SO, UH, OUTDOOR SEATING, WE HAVE OUTDOOR SEATING GUIDELINES.
JENNIFER ALLUDED TO THEM, SHE DIDN'T WALK YOU THROUGH THEM.
BUT, UM, THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA WHERE YOU CAN GET A, UM, SITE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW WAIVER.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY OUR DESIGN REVIEW AND MINISTERIAL DESIGN REVIEW PERMIT TO ADD OUTDOOR DINING.
IF, UH, IF YOU MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, IF YOU CAN'T MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA, THEN YOU HAVE AN OPTION OF DOING A LARGER DESIGN REVIEW PERMIT, WHICH REQUIRES A PUBLIC PROCESS.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT THE BIGGEST, UM, THE BIGGEST DRIVER TO WHERE SOMEBODY WOULD PUT IT IS BASED ON WHERE IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE AND WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA ENJOY BEING IN THE SPACE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HAVE OUTDOOR DINING ON THE BACKSIDE OF A BUILDING WHERE THERE'S, UH, USUALLY BACK OF HOUSE STUFF, RIGHT? WASTE, ENCLOSURES, TRASH, UM, LESS SIGHTLY THINGS.
IT ALSO DOESN'T PROMOTE VIBRANCY, UH, TO THE STREET.
RIGHT? A LOT OF TIMES AS A, AS A RESIDENT, YOU MIGHT BE DRIVING BY AND SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA GO CHECK OUT THAT PLACE BECAUSE I CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE OUTDOOR DINING.
SO THEY TEND TO BE, YOU KNOW, MORE INVISIBLE PLACES WHERE THE COMMUNITY WILL BE DRAWN TO VISITING THEM.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, AS SPACES GET TIGHT, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IN MORE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS YOU SEE OUTDOOR DINING ALL THE TIME IN THE BACK, RIGHT? I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN TO SAN FRANCISCO OR BERKELEY OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU'VE HAD A LITTLE NICHE IN THE BACK? UM, THAT'S NOT REALLY DUBLIN, RIGHT? WE HAVE LARGE PARKING LOTS.
UH, MAYBE WAY IN THE FUTURE WE MIGHT BE HAVING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION, BUT FOR NOW, YOU KNOW, MOST PEOPLE WANNA PUT THEM IN A PLACE WHERE THEY'RE READILY VISIBLE.
AND WE DO HAVE A PROCESS FOR CREATING THOSE, UH, OUTDOOR DINING SPACES.
UM, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UH, I MEAN, I THINK THE IDEA IS VERY GOOD.
I THINK IT'LL HELP THE BUSINESSES AND ALSO WE CAN ALSO ENCOURAGE, UM, YOUNGER GENERATIONS ALSO TO MOVE TO CITY BECAUSE INTO DUBLIN, BECAUSE OF THE CLOSER TO BAR AND ALL OF THAT.
UH, BUT I THINK I STILL SEE THAT THERE ARE SOME VALID, UH, CHANGES THAT CAN BE MADE, WHICH IS LIKE, MAYBE WE CAN EXPLICITLY CALL OUT THAT, UH, YOU CANNOT HAVE OUTDOOR IN THE RARE SIDE OF THE BUSINESS, BUT IT HAS TO BE ON THE ONLY IN THE FRONT.
SOMETHING LIKE THOSE SMALL CHANGES MAY BE POSSIBLE TO CONSIDER.
AND I THINK THIS NOISE THING, UM, I I REALLY DO NOT KNOW LIKE HOW TO MEASURE THAT BECAUSE I STAY PRETTY CLOSE TO THE SCHOOL.
UM, WE SHOULD ASSUME THAT SCHOOLS SHOULDN'T MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.
UH, I MEAN, YOU CAN, UH, ESPECIALLY THE HOUSES NEXT TO THE NEW SCHOOL THAT HAS BEEN BUILT, I THINK THEY CAN HEAR CONSTANTLY THE SOUND.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MEASURE THAT.
MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WHICH WE CAN THINK OF.
UM, LIKE THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF A MONITORING, UH, REGARDING THE AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTSIDE.
UH, DINING OUTSIDE IS PERFECT, UH, BUT THE AMPLIFIED SOUND IS SOMETHING WHICH IS KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GAUGE.
I WANTED TO MAKE SOME, UM, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
I THINK THIS WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION.
UM, THE WAY I FEEL IS, UH, I THINK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS DONE THEIR HOMEWORK, UH, TO GET TO THIS POINT.
UM, AND SO IF WE THINK ABOUT THE RISKS THAT WE HAVE AT THIS POINT, OKAY, ONE IS NOISE, AND THEN I'M HEARING A LOT OF ACCESSIBILITY ISSUE.
BUT, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA RE-ITERATE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT AMY ALREADY MENTIONED, WHICH IS THIS ONLY IS GOING TO APPLY TO THE DOWNTOWN DUBLIN AREA FOR NOW.
THIS IS NOT CITYWIDE AND ALSO ONLY FOR RESTAURANT OWNERS, IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A, UH, THEY WILL HAVE A OUTDOOR, UM, OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT.
UM, THEY HAVE TO APPLY TO THE CITY, AND THE, THE CITY WILL ACTUALLY HAVE TO ISSUE A USE PERMIT, CORRECT? AND THEN AT THAT, THE PERMITTING PROCESS WILL, UH, APPLY THE STANDARDS THAT C ALREADY EXERCISES FOR, UH, MANY OTHER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TRAFFIC, THE PARKING, UM, ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE USE PERMIT THAT THEY'RE GONNA APPLY FOR.
SO I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT, UM, HOURS THAT, UM, MANY OF YOU HAVE MENTIONED, UH, WEEKDAYS IT ENDS AT EIGHT,
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SO IT DOESN'T GO FOR LONGER THAN THAT.YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY DONE ALSO DONE THE, UH, JURISDICTIONAL SURVEY.
WHAT ARE THE ADJACENT CITIES ARE DOING? UH, LIVERMORE, PLEASANTON.
UM, AND SO I, I HEARD 9:00 PM AND I THINK THAT'S PLEASANTON IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.
UM, AND FOR OUR PROPOSAL, WE'RE ONLY SAYING A FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT TILL 10:00 PM UH, NOT SUNDAY NIGHT.
UH, NOT MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY NIGHT.
THEY ALL END WEEKDAYS AT EIGHT AND SUNDAY AT, UH, EIGHT ALSO.
RIGHT? UH, SO THE ONLY TWO NIGHTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING A LITTLE BIT LATE BECAUSE IT'S THE WEEKEND, IT'S STILL 10:00 PM UM, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.
I JUST WANT THE COMMISSIONERS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S STILL A PERMITTING PROCESS.
MAYBE IT'S A STREAMLINED PROCESS OR IT'S NOT THE FULL PERMIT ISSUE, BUT WE HAVE A PERMITTING PROCESS WHERE, WHERE, IF WE CAN PUT, WE CAN DISCUSS THESE THINGS FURTHER.
BUT IF WE WANNA PUT, UH, COMMISSIONER BADAMI YOU MENTIONED ABOUT MONITORING, NOISE MONITORING OR, UM, MAKING SURE THE PERMIT HAS A CONDITION IN TERMS OF NOT BLOCKING, UH, SOME OTHER USE WITHIN THE VICINITY, RIGHT? SO THOSE THINGS, I DON'T KNOW, AMY, IS THAT POSSIBLE TO PUT THOSE IN THE PERMITTING, UH, PROCESS THAT THERE WILL BE A, IN CASE IT EXCEEDS THE, UH, CITY'S, UH, NOISE ORDINANCE? UM, IS THERE A WAY TO PUT IT IN THE PERMIT THAT, UM, WHOEVER IS THE OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE TO MONITOR THAT? UM, I THINK THAT WOULD PUT THE COMMUNITY AT SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT, OKAY, UH, THE PERMIT WILL GIVE THE CONDITION.
THAT'S ONE THING I'M FEELING LIKE THAT WOULD PUT THE COMMUNITY AT, UH, SOME LEVEL OF COMFORT THAT SOMEBODY'S WATCHING AND IT'S NOT GONNA EXCEED AN UNREASONABLE LEVEL OF NOISE.
IS THAT SOMETHING POSSIBLE TO PUT IT IN THE PERMIT? YEAH.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT DOING.
UH, IF, IF THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE WANTED TO DO THAT, UH, AGAIN, YOU'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
UH, IF, IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE OR ANY OTHER CHANGE MM-HMM
UH, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST YOU DO IS MAKE A MOTION MM-HMM
UH, TO MOVE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WITH NOTED CHANGES AS IN KIND OF SPELL THAT OUT, RIGHT? THAT'S HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT, RIGHT? UM, YOU KNOW, JENNIFER AND I CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY, UH, SORT OF ADD THAT IN AS A CRITERIA, UH, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO GO THAT PATH AND SHOULD CITY COUNCIL ALSO SUPPORT THAT PATH? ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT, JENNIFER, YOU THINK? OKAY.
UM, ANYBODY COMFORTABLE ENOUGH TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THIS? OKAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION, MAKE A MOTION, A STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
YOU WANNA MOVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS AGENDA? YES.
ANY, ANYBODY WANTS TO SECOND THAT? UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, BUT ALSO SEE IF WE CAN PUT, UH, MONITORING OF THE NOISE LEVELS IF POSSIBLE, IN THE, UM, PERMIT.
IN THE PERMIT, PERMIT PERMIT CONDITION IN THE PERMIT PROCESS.
SO I'M GONNA ASK THAT YOU CLARIFY THAT BEFORE.
UH, SO THE ACTUAL PROCESS IS THAT, UM, BECAUSE, UH, YOU MADE THE MOTION, YOU WOULD ESSENTIALLY AGREE TO THAT, TO AMEND THE MOTION.
BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE AMENDMENT IS.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT CLEAR TO ME.
UH, SO IF YOU COULD KIND OF RESTATE, UH, WHAT AMENDMENT THAT YOU WANT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
UM, THE AMENDMENT, WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS ON HOW WE CAN MONITOR THE NOISE LEVELS OR AT LEAST PUT SOME GUIDANCE TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS, UH, THAT THEY CANNOT HAVE THE, WHAT'S THE DISABILITY LEVEL IT SHOULD BE, OR AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE STATED THAT IT COULD BE MONITORED.
AND IF YOU FIND SOMETHING, WE SHOULD ASK THEM TO LOWER THE VOLUME.
YOU GOT TO AGREE TO IT FORMALLY, PLEASE.
UM, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, IF WE DO PUT THE MONITORING, THAT WOULD BE
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JUST TO MONITOR.IT DOESN'T EXCEED THE CITY ORDINANCE ALREADY THERE.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE DO HAVE A SECOND.
RIGHT? BUT WITH THIS CAVEAT THERE,
SO WE DO GET THAT, UH, OPTION IN WESTIN WHEN SOME OF THE RESTAURANTS TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND, UH, BUILD IT.
YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, I RES IT RESONATES WITH ME WHAT YOU JUST SAID.
I THINK WE'VE BEEN, THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THE DOWNTOWN DUBLIN TO COME TO FRUITION FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
THE COMMUNITY'S VERY EXCITED TO SEE, UM, SOMETHING GREAT HAPPENING.
AND I THINK THIS, UH, OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, UH, PROVISION WILL REALLY LIVEN UP THE COMMUNITY.
UM, DUBLIN HAS COME A LONG WAY, I THINK, UH, IN THE LAST 43 YEARS, EVER SINCE DUBLIN WAS BECAME A CITY.
AND AT THIS POINT I THINK IT'S, UH, CRITICAL THAT WE DO THE BEST WE CAN TO REALLY BRING THE DOWNTOWN TO LIFE.
IT'S BEEN, UH, A DREAM OF THE COMMUNITY FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR OWN, UH, COMMUNITY.
AND SOUNDS LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION, I MEAN, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THE OUTREACH, YOU HAVE DONE PUBLIC NOTICING, REACHING OUT TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
YOU'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD DO TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, AND IT'S, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S POSITIVE THE BUSINESS OWNERS WANT THIS, AND SO DO WE.
UM, SO IF NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, THEN MAYBE WE CAN VOTE.
UM, AND KATHY IS, WE CAN DO A ROLL CALL OR I CAN GO.
SO TO VOTE ON THAT, UM, COMMISSIONER BMI, YAY OR NAY.
COMMISSIONER P GIVE A CONDITIONAL APPROVAL BASED ON THE CHANGES.
AYE, WITH THAT CONDITION, AND I TOOK, I SAW AMY TAKING NOTES, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
[6.2 Zoning Ordinance Amendment to Chapter 8.84 (Sign Regulations) (PLPA-004290-2025)]
THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.UM, THIS IS, UH, AGENDA ITEM 6.2 ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO CHAPTER 8.84 FOR SIGNED REGULATION.
AND I'M, I'M GUESSING AMY HAS A LITTLE PRESENTATION FOR US.
WELL, GOOD EVENING FROM A DIFFERENT VIEW.
UH, I WILL BE GIVEN THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.
UH, SO TONIGHT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER AND MAKE A REG MAKE ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT SOME AMENDMENTS TO THE DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE TO BRING GREATER CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY TO THE SIGN REGULATIONS.
SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ADDRESS DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL AND TO AMEND THE REGULATIONS FOR TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS.
AND THEY ALSO, UH, ADDRESS SOME STAFF INITIATED AMENDMENTS.
SO, FOR A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED THE REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF TEMPORARY POLITICAL SIGNS, WHICH ARE CLASSIFIED AS TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS.
THESE SIGNS ARE ESSENTIALLY SHORT-TERM DISPLAY THAT DO NOT INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL MESSAGE.
SO THINK ABOUT NOT ONLY POLITICAL SIGNS, BUT GARAGE SALE SIGNS OR YARD SIGNS, MAYBE FOR A LOCAL FUNDRAISER, OR, YAY, MY KID GRADUATED AND I WANNA HAVE A SIGN, UH, OUT ON MY FRONT PORCH.
SO THESE SIGNS ARE EXEMPT FROM A PERMIT, BUT THEY DO HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET.
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FOR MORE THAN 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS.THEY MUST BE LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THEY MUST, UH, BE A MAXIMUM OF 16 FEET PER SIDE, A TOTAL OF 80 SUITE, 80 SQUARE FEET OF AREA PER LOT, AND NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, OR WITHIN 660 FEET AND VISIBLE FROM INTERSTATE FIVE 80 OR A SIX 80.
IN RESPONSE TO THE DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENED ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, CITY COUNCIL GAVE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND THAT DIRECTION WAS TO REQUIRE THAT THE SIGNS BE REMOVED WITHIN SEVEN DAYS FOLLOWING THE CONCLUSION OF THE EVENT.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A POLITICAL SIGN, UH, THE DAY OF THE ELECTION, SEVEN DAYS LATER, THE SIGNS NEED TO BE REMOVED, REQUIRE COMPLETION OF A PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT FORM FOR THE PLACEMENT OF SIGNS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
SO WHILE THE DUBLIN CODE DOES SAY THAT THEY NEED TO BE MAINTAINED, UM, THEY'RE LIMITED TO PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY SORT OF, UH, ENHANCED THAT DIRECTION TO SAY THAT YOU NEED TO OBTAIN PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION AND THEN IMPLEMENT A SIGNED RETRIEVAL FEE.
SO I KIND OF JUMPED THE GUN A LITTLE BIT ON THIS SO THAT THAT WAS THE CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
SO THERE'S, UH, ESSENTIALLY TWO SECTIONS THAT ARE BEING AMENDED.
ONE TO, UH, CAPTURE THE SEVEN DAYS.
ONE TO CLARIFY THAT YOU NEED PROPERTY OWNER'S PERMISSION.
AND THEN, UM, THE LAST SECTION, SO THE PROCESS FOR REMOVAL AND ASSOCIATED REMOVAL, UM, AND THE ASSOCIATED COST OF REMOVAL IS IN SECTION 8.84, UH, 2 7 0.
THAT SECTION ALSO IDENTIFIES THE PERSON THAT IS RESPONSIBLE ESSENTIALLY SAYS THE PERSON WHO ERECTS THE SIGN IS LIABLE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COST OF REMOVAL.
UH, SO IF SOMEBODY ILLEGALLY PLACES ONE OF THESE SIGNS ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THE CITY CAN PICK IT UP BECAUSE IT'S CITY PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE ON CITY PROPERTY.
AND SO THIS CLARIFIES WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
AND THEN, UH, CLARIFIES THAT WHEN WE WILL, UH, WHEN ONCE THEY'RE REMOVED, WE WILL KEEP THEM FOR 15 DAYS.
SO WE TOOK THIS OPPORTUNITY, UH, AS WE OFTEN DO TO ALSO LOOK AT SOME STAFF AMENDMENTS TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE.
UH, AS WE MOVE THROUGH LIFE, WE DISCOVER THINGS THAT MAYBE NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.
AND THIS, UM, THE SIGN ORDINANCE WAS COMPLETELY OVERHAULED IN 2021.
SO WE'VE HAD SEVERAL YEARS IN WHICH WE ARE WORKING WITH A NEW SIGN ORDINANCE, AND INEVITABLY WE RUN INTO SMALL ERRORS AND TYPOS OR THINGS THAT WE JUST FEEL LIKE NEED TO BE FIXED.
SO THAT'S WHAT THESE ARE, THEY'RE NOT REALLY RELATED, UH, TO THE TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY MINOR IN NATURE.
AND SO WE KIND OF TAG THEM ON ONTO THIS AMENDMENT.
UH, SO THE FIRST ONE IS, AS I MENTIONED, AS PART OF THE 2021 AMENDMENTS TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE, THERE WAS A SECTION RELATED TO BANNER SIGNS, AND THERE WAS A REALLY IMPORTANT CI SENTENCE THAT WAS REMOVED AND IT REALLY, UH, LEFT OVER SOME AND KIND OF CREATED SOME AMBIGUITY FOR US.
UH, HISTORICALLY, AND STILL TO THIS DAY, THE DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE ALLOWS TWO TEMPORARY BANNER SIGNS.
YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE ONE ON THE BUILDING AND ONE IN THE FRONT LANDSCAPING.
AND IT, IT GOES ON TO SAY, CURRENTLY IN THE CODE THAT IF YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ON THE BUILDING FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU AND YOU HAVE TWO FRONTAGES, THEN YOU CAN HAVE THEM ONE IN EACH LANDSCAPE FRONTAGE.
UH, SO IF YOU KIND OF READ BETWEEN THE LINES, YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS TRYING TO HAPPEN.
AND THEN THERE WAS A SENTENCE THAT RE THAT WAS REMOVED.
UH, SO THIS IS JUST PUTTING BACK THAT SENTENCE THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS YOU CAN ALWAYS HAVE ONE OF THEM IN THE LANDSCAPE AREA.
YOU DON'T NEED TO NOT, YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE TWO IN LANDSCAPE AREA AND NONE ON THE BUILDING, RIGHT? IT WAS JUST A CLARIFICATION TO THAT.
UH, THE NEXT IS FREESTANDING SIGNS.
SO, UH, FREESTANDING SIGNS ARE THOSE MONUMENT SIGNS THAT YOU SEE MAYBE AT THE ENTRANCE OF SHOPPING CENTERS, RIGHT? UM, AND SO WE HAVE HISTORICALLY ALLOWED, UH, AND THE CODE DOES SAY THIS NOW, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A CLEANUP OF AN INCONSISTENCY.
UH, ONE FREESTANDING SIGN IS ALLOWED, UH, TO, UM, SORT OF ADMINISTERIAL THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
UH, BUT IF YOU WANTED TWO OR MORE, THEN YOU HAVE TO GET A MASTER SIGN PROGRAM.
WE WANNA, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE SIGN ORDINANCE, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NOT SIGN PROLIFERATION THROUGH THE CITY.
SO WE WANNA BE MORE, UH, CAREFUL WHEN WE START ADDING SIGNS.
SO THE REASON I SAY THIS ONE IS A CONSISTENCY ISSUE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE SECTION OF THE CODE THAT SAYS YOU CAN HAVE TWO, AND THE OTHER ONE SAYS YOU CAN HAVE ONE.
AND THE, THE ONE THAT SAYS ONE IS A ERROR, WE'VE ALWAYS SAID, UM, THAT YOU CAN HAVE ONE BY RIGHT.
BUT, UM, TWO OR MORE REQUIRES A MASTER'S SCIENCE PROGRAM.
UH, THE THIRD ONE IS JUST A NITPICKY BECAUSE WHEN WE ADOPTED A
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SIGNED ORDINANCE, SECTIONS H AND I WERE NOT IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND IT DRIVES US CRAZY.UM, AND SO, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE APPLICATION CONTENT.
SO THIS WAS SOMETHING, UH, LIKE I SAID, WE UPDATED THE CODE IN 2021 AND PRETTY MUCH REVAMPED THE ENTIRE SIGNED ORDINANCE.
WE WENT LIVE WITH OUR NEW PERMITTING SYSTEM IN 23.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, UM, WE CH HAD TO CHANGE SOME OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS A LITTLE BIT.
UM, THE SYSTEM ONLY MAYBE TOO MUCH INFORMATION, BUT THE SYSTEM ONLY ALLOWS ONE SIGNATURE, UH, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE.
SO FOR APPLICATIONS THAT WE REQUIRED PROPERTY OWNER SIGNATURE, UH, WE NEEDED TO KEEP AN APPLICATION FORM.
AND IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE, WE REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT WHICH FORMS DO WE REALLY NEED PROPERTY OWNER SIGNATURE ON.
AND HISTORICALLY WE HAVEN'T REQUIRED THEM FOR TEMPORARY PERMITS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ALWAYS REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNER SIGNATURE FOR THE BIG ITEMS ALWAYS.
UM, IMPACT LAND USE REALLY IMPACT HOW YOU USE THE SPACE.
UH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A TEMPORARY BANNER.
WE DON'T MAKE THEM GO ASK THEIR PROPERTY OWNER.
WE ASSUME THAT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE DISCUSS DISCUSSIONS ON THEIR LEASE.
SO ANYWAY, THERE'S A SMALL LITTLE SECTION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT SPEAKS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IN AN APPLICATION AND IT SPEAKS TO PROPERTY OWNER SIGNATURE.
AND SO TECHNICALLY WE NEEDED TO CLEAN THAT UP A LITTLE BIT AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T APPLYING IT TO ALL APPLICATIONS, BUT MOST APPLICATIONS.
AND THAT'S SORT OF THE BACKGROUND AS TO WHY THAT IS.
UH, SO, UH, STAFF IS ASKING YOU TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, DELIBERATE AND ADOPT A RESOLUTION, RECOMMENDING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF AMENDMENTS TO THE SIGNED ORDINANCE TO, UM, ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.
I BE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, RIGHT? THANK YOU, AMY.
UM, QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS? ANY QUESTION? OH, THANK AMY.
SO HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THE, HOW MANY DAYS THERE, HOW DO, HOW DO YOU KNOW? HOW DO YOU KNOW IT SITTING SIX DAYS.
AND SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE WANTING TO HAVE AN END DATE, UH, BECAUSE 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS, SO WE DO ISSUE THE PERMIT, THE PI THE PERMIT SAYS YOU'RE APPLYING ON THE FIRST, YOU CAN HAVE IT, YOU KNOW, TO THE 30TH, TWO MONTHS LATER, WHATEVER IT IS, RIGHT? UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE GO OUT THERE AND MAYBE THE SIGN IS STILL THERE NOT REMOVED.
UM, I'M SORRY, WE DON'T ISSUE A PERMIT.
UM, SOMEBODY JUST PUTS IT OUT THERE, SOMEBODY COMPLAINS, MY NEIGHBORS HAD A SIGN OUT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, 80 DAYS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY RECORD OF THAT, RIGHT? SO WE GO OUT THERE, WE MARK, OKAY, SO TODAY IS NOW DAY ONE, RIGHT? AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, WE WANTED TO, THAT WAS WHAT WAS DRIVING THE END DATE.
SO COUNCIL SAID, OKAY, LET'S PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON, RIGHT? LET'S THINK ABOUT HOW WE COULD DO THIS.
AND SO YOU, THEY, WE STILL HAVE THE 60 DAYS, BUT THE SEVEN DAYS AFTER THE EVENT IS REALLY THE BEST WAY THAT WE CAN ENFORCE BECAUSE THAT WE KNOW, RIGHT? THERE IS SOME, THERE'S A REASON WHY YOU HAVE A SIGN, RIGHT? IT'S SAYING SOMETHING, IF IT'S A BIG SALE, A GARAGE SALE, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, YOU CAN ATTACH IT TO A DATE.
AND SO, UH, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE AND WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER WAY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S NO EVENT DATE.
UM, BUT THIS WAS TRYING TO CAPTURE, UM, KIND OF THE, THE MORE COMMON THINGS THAT WE SEE.
UH, AND HONESTLY AS I THINK AS I TALKED ABOUT, THIS REALLY WAS, UH, DRIVEN FROM POLITICAL SIGNS.
WE ALL KNOW POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS HAVE AN END DATE, RIGHT? THERE IS
UH, SO THAT JUST GIVES US SEVEN DAYS AFTER THAT.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT YOU SAID TODAY.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY THERE IS AN ELECTION IN THE CITY AND SOMEBODY'S CONTESTING, THEY KNOW WALKING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHAT ARE THE BEST LOCATIONS TO PUT THE, UH, SIGN BOARD, RIGHT? LET'S SAY THEY GO AND TALK TO A RESIDENT THERE LIVING IN THAT ONE, HEY, I WANT TO PUT A, UM, SIGN BOARD HERE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
NOW HERE, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE PERSON WHO IS STAYING THERE.
THE PERSON WHO IS GOING TO PUT THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN SIGN IS IN FRONT OF THAT HOUSE.
SO IS THIS UNDER TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGN? YES.
THE POLITICAL SIGN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE THE YARD SIGN? YES.
THAT'S A TEMPORARY NON, SO NOW THE QUESTION IS LIKE WHERE I SAW THE, WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS, RIGHT? IT SAID LIKE, REGARDING PROPERTY OWNER CONSENT
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AND RETRIEVAL FEES, HERE IS A PERSON WHO IS PUTTING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, HE OR SHE ALSO HAS ASSIGNED.YES, WE ARE NOT, AGAIN, THERE'S NO PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO WE DON'T HAVE, UH, NECESSARILY, WE'RE NOT GONNA POLICE THIS IN A SENSE OF WE'RE NOT GONNA DRIVE AROUND AND MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY HAS THE SIGNATURE FOR THOSE SIGNS.
THE REASON WHY THIS CAME UP IS IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, RIGHT? YOU PUT THEM ON PROPERTY, UH, AND SOMEBODY SAYS, I DON'T THINK THAT THEY HAVE PERMISSION.
THAT GIVES US THE MECHANISM TO SAY, CAN YOU SHOW US THAT YOU HAVE PERMISSION? WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT.
YEAH, SOME OF THESE ARE VERY TOUGH TO ENFORCE.
UH, THE THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO GENERALLY ASK, LIKE, I MEAN, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY DOESN'T REMOVE THOSE BOARDS AFTER SEVEN DAYS AFTER THE ELECTION IN THE CITY ALL AROUND THE PLACE, MAYBE LIKE FIVE PEOPLE CONTESTED, 10 PEOPLE CONTESTED.
WE ARE ROUGHLY LOOKING AT ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE A HUNDRED, 200, 300 VOTES.
I KNOW THEIR VOLUNTEERS GO AND TRY TO PICK UP, UH, I MEAN, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WANT TO KNOW LIKE HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE SPEND GOING AND CLEANING UP ALL THAT? AND THEN WOULD WE CHARGE THEM IF THEY DON'T PICK UP? LIKE IS THERE, UH, SOMETHING WHICH WE CAN DO? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, I MEAN, AFTER ELECTIONS ESPECIALLY, IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO GO AROUND THE CITY AND REMOVE ALL OF THAT.
AND ALSO, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE REALTORS ALSO PUTTING SOME OF THOSE FOR A SHORT DURATION AND THEY REMOVE IT.
MAYBE THEY, THEY KNOW THE PATTERN.
LIKE IF THEY PUT IT FOR SOME TIME, THEY'LL NOT, THEY'LL, IT'LL GO UNNOTICED AND THEN THEY'LL REMOVE IT.
UH, SO OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE OUT IN THE CITY ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? SO IF THERE IS A POLITICAL SIGN, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY WHERE IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE, THEY'LL JUST GRAB IT IN THE NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOW.
UM, THE, THE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL WAS TO HAVE US KEEP IT FOR 15 DAYS, UH, GIVE SOMEBODY THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT BACK, UH, AND CHARGE A FEE FOR THAT.
SO, UH, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A PROCESS ASSOCIATED, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO LOG IT IN.
WE'VE GOTTA LET THEM KNOW WE HAVE, WE, WE ARE STILL SORT OF NAVIGATING THAT, THAT NEW PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
UH, AND ULTIMATELY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT FEE WILL BE.
UH, BUT JUST PICKING UP THE SIGN ISN'T A LOT OF WORK.
UH, AND WE WILL DO THE RECOVERY FOR THE STORAGE OF THAT SIGN AS PART OF THE PROCESS, UH, IN, IN BILLING THEM FOR THE SIGN.
UM, I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT PROBLEM HERE.
UM, THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES.
UH, IF YOU KEEP THE SIGN FOR 15 DAYS OR IF THERE'S A DAMAGE THE SIGN, WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE? SO THEY KNOW MY SIGN WAS, WAS OKAY, BUT YOU GUYS TOOK MY SIGN AFTER 15 DAYS DAMAGED, WHAT'S GONNA PAY FOR IT? AND THAT ANOTHER THING IS THAT, UM, LET'S SEE.
I, I CAN PUT HIS SIDE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE I, I'M NOT VERY HAPPY WITH HIM.
SO I CAN PUT HIS SIGN SOMEWHERE THERE, LIVE THERE AND HE'S GONNA FINE, OR I'M NOBODY KNOWS
SO, UM, I THINK THAT PROBABLY THE AL WASTE, UH, ONCE THERE'S A SIGNS THERE FOR TOO LONG, I THINK JUST THROW AWAY BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE THEY, THEY, THEY DON'T CARE.
SOME, SOME, IT'S BASICALLY SOME POLITICAL SIGN.
THEN AFTER THEY, THEY LOST THE PARTY ELECTION, THEY DON'T CARE.
IT JUST EVEN KEEP US 15 DAYS, NOBODY GONNA GONNA COME OVER, SEE, YOU KNOW, HE WANTS TO SIGN BACK.
UM, SO MAYBE JUST OTHERWISE YOU GONNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO RESTORE THEM AND I, YOU HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE SIGNS.
I THINK GONNA BE SOME CONCERN.
DID YOU HAVE A, ANYBODY ELSE HAS A QUESTION? CLARIFYING QUESTION.
SO THIS GOES ONLY FOR THE, UM, POLITICAL SIGNS, OR HOW ABOUT THE SCHOOL SIGNS? THIS IS ALL ANYTHING THAT FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS.
SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS A SIGN THAT DOESN'T CONTAIN A COMMERCIAL MESSAGE.
I THINK, UM, THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA BE REMOVED SEVEN DAYS AFTER THE EVENT, UM, AND DOESN'T SOUND LIKE CITI HAS A PROBLEM PICKING THEM UP.
AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD CUSTOM TO KEEP IT FOR 15 DAYS IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COME AND CLAIM IT.
UM, TO ME IT'S KIND OF PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
UM, I CAN OPEN, IF YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I CAN OPEN IT FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS, KATHY? NO, I DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC, UH, SPEAKERS FOR THIS ITEM.
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OKAY.UM, ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN, UH, WE CAN DISCUSS NOW OR WE CAN MAKE A MOTION, UM, LIKE MAKE, MAKE A MOTION OR ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMISSIONERS? UM, FOR THE SIGN, UH, IF THEY APPLY, I, I GUESS THEY NEED, DO THEY NEED THE PERMIT IF TO PUT SIGN? MM-HMM
'CAUSE UH, IF THEY'RE IN PERMIT, YOU CAN JUST ISSUE A TICKET.
THE, THE STICKER, THEY PUT A STICKER ON THE SIGN WITH A DATE.
SO THEN LIKE A PARKING, NOT PARKING LOT, THEY CHECK THAT IF THE, YOU KNOW, OVER TWO HOURS PARKING, YOU HAVE THE DATE THERE.
SO IT'S VERY EASY TO CHECK OUT.
OR NO? ARE YOU ASKING IF WE DO A PERMIT OR JUST TALKING ABOUT IF WE DID A PERMIT? YEAH, IF WE DO THE, I KNOW.
UM, DO WE NEED THE, THE PERMIT? IF THEY TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS DO NOT NEED A PERMIT, UH, KEEP IN MIND THEY INCLUDE, UM, GARAGE SALE SIGNS, BAKE SALE SIGNS, UM, YOU KNOW, SIGNS THAT ARE SMALL AND TEMPORARY NATURE, RIGHT? THAT YOU REALLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO FORCE SOMEONE TO COME TO THE CITY AND ASK FOR A PERMIT, UH, TO ENGAGE IN A SHORT TERM PROCESS.
RIGHT? I THINK POLITICAL SIGNS, UH, TEND TO BE OUT A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN OTHERS.
UH, BUT IT'S, THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT POLITICAL SIGNS.
THIS IS ABOUT ALL TEMPORARY NON-COMMERCIAL SIGNS.
SO WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT, UM, WHEN WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO REQUIRE A PERMIT FOR.
SO IF, SO IF ANYBODY PUTS A SIGN AND, UH, IF THEY REMOVES IT, AND CAN THEY, IF THERE IS ANY TIME DURATION, THEY CAN PUT IT BACK AGAIN AT, TO CERTAIN DAYS, 42 DAYS, CORRECT? UH, 42 DAYS.
SO YOU HAVE A WAITING PERIOD OF 42 DAYS.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO ADVERTISE SOMETHING AGAIN, AGAIN, YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT THE 42 DAYS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION? OKAY, GO AHEAD.
UM, I APPROVE THE, I UH, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
FIRST, UH, OTHER TOPIC WE ALREADY COVERED.
UM, I MOVED TO APPROVE, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE STAFF ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE, UH, DUBLIN MUNICIPAL CODE 8.84 REGARDING THE SIGNED REGULATIONS.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
UH, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? I THINK THIS WAS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND I'M GLAD YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EDIT SOME OF THE THINGS WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, SO IT'S ALL GOOD.
UH, WE'LL VOTE FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM NOW, KATHY.
SO FOR ROLL CALL, VOTE FOR THE SIGN REGULATIONS.
MOVING ON TO AGENDA NUMBER SEVEN.
ANY NEW BUSINESS NOT TO KNOW? NO.
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REPORTS, UM, THIS IS ABOUT BRIEF INFORMATION ONLY REPORTS FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND OR OF STAFF, INCLUDING COMMITTEE REPORTS[01:15:01]
OR REPORTS BY PLANNING COMMISSION RELATED TO MEETINGS AT, UH, ATTENDED AT CITY EXPENSE.UH, I HAVE A FEW THINGS FOR THE COMMISSION.
UH, ONE, VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT WE HAVE A FULL COMMISSION, SO WELCOME EVERYBODY.
UM, YOUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON DECEMBER 9TH.
UH, WE WILL HAVE A MEETING, UH, FOR YOU THEN, UM, AT THE FIRST OF THE YEAR.
YOUR FIRST MEETING IS YOU ALWAYS DO ELECTION OF OFFICERS, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
UH, YOU HAVE A ELECTION OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO CONSIDER.
UH, SO RIGHT NOW YOU DON'T HAVE A VICE CHAIR.
AND IN TALKING WITH THE CHAIR, WE PURPOSELY KIND OF HELD OFF ON THAT BECAUSE, UM, IT SEEMED A LITTLE SILLY TO HAVE A VICE CHAIR FOR ONE MEETING AND THEN HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THE NEXT TIME.
AND SHE COMMITTED TO SHOWING UP ON DECEMBER 9TH.
SO, UM, SO THAT'S WHY THAT IS HAPPENING.
UH, AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR TEAM.
ALL RIGHT, WELL, THE TIME IS EIGHT 16 AND WITH THAT I WILL ADJOURN.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR TODAY IS, UH, 19 NOVEMBER 19, 20, 25.