[00:00:03] AND WILL CALL OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER. [1. CALL TO ORDER AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] LET'S HAVE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. SO WE JUST CAME OUT OF THE CLOSED SESSION. THERE'S NO REPORTABLE ITEM. NEXT, LET'S GO TO NUMBER THREE PRESENTATIONS AND PROCLAMATIONS. [3.1 Constitution Week Proclamation ] 3.1 CONSTITUTION. CONSTITUTION. WEEK. PROCLAMATION. CONSTITUTION. WEEK. PROCLAMATION. ONE. OF THEM IS ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST IMPORTANT FOUNDING DOCUMENTS. THE AIMS OF THE CONSTITUTION WEEK CELEBRATION ARE TO EMPHASIZE CITIZENS RESPONSIBILITIES TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, INFORM PEOPLE THAT CONSTITUTION IS A BASIS FOR AMERICA'S GREAT HERITAGE AND THE FOUNDATION FOR OUR WAY OF LIFE, AND ENCOURAGE THE STUDY OF THE HISTORICAL EVENTS WHICH LED TO THE FRAMING OF THE CONSTITUTION IN SEPTEMBER 1787. SO TODAY WE HAVE HEATHER BRILLHART REGENT DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION TO BE HERE TO ACCEPT PROCLAMATION. HEATHER, DO YOU WANT TO SHARE A FEW WORDS WITH US? I DO, THANK YOU. MAYOR HUGH AND DUBLIN CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS HEATHER BRILLHART AND I AM THE REGENT OF THE JOSE MARIA AMADOR CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. THE NATIONAL SOCIETY OF DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION IS A 130 YEAR OLD NONPARTIZAN WOMEN'S ORGANIZATION THAT IS DEDICATED TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, EDUCATION AND PATRIOTISM. EACH YEAR, WE URGE ALL AMERICANS TO REFLECT ON THE U.S. CONSTITUTION. THERE ARE TWO DOCUMENTS OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE TO AMERICAN HISTORY THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, WHICH FORGED OUR NATIONAL IDENTITY, AND THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, WHICH SET FORTH THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT FUNCTIONS TO THIS DAY. THAT SAID, MANY PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW ABOUT CONSTITUTION WEEK, AN ANNUAL COMMEMORATION OF THE LIVING DOCUMENT THAT UPHOLDS AND PROTECTS THE FREEDOMS CENTRAL TO OUR AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. THAT IS WHY D.A.R. IS COMMITTED TO SPREADING THE WORD IN DUBLIN AND OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS AMERICA. WE ERECT HUNDREDS OF COMMUNITY DISPLAYS, INCLUDING THE ONE IN THE DUBLIN PUBLIC LIBRARY, AND PROVIDE COPIES OF THE CONSTITUTION TO HIGH SCHOOL CIVIC CLASSES AND RUN A POSTER CONTEST TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THE CONSTITUTION'S TENETS AND IMPORTANCE. THIS IS AN ESPECIALLY SIGNIFICANT YEAR, BEING THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF OUR NATION. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES TO CELEBRATE IT WITH THE CITY OF DUBLIN. WE STARTED WITH THE REDEDICATION OF THE JOSE MARIA AMADOR MARKER. WE CONTINUED WITH THE INSTALLATION AND DEDICATION OF THE PATRIOT MARKER AT DON BIDDLE PARK. TODAY, THE CITY OF DUBLIN CELEBRATES CONSTITUTION WEEK WITH US. WITH ITS PROCLAMATION, WE CELEBRATE THE INSTALLATION OF A LITTLE LIBRARY AT BRAY COMMUNITY PARK ON SEPTEMBER 8TH FOR INTERNATIONAL LITERACY DAY. WE APPRECIATE THE FRUITFUL RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO MORE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE. IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE CITY OF DUBLIN AND MAYOR HUGH WITH THE DA AMERICA 250 COMMENDATION MEDAL, AWARDED TO NON MEMBER GROUPS WHO HAVE MADE OUTSTANDING CONTRIBUTIONS TO PRESERVING THE LEGACY OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. THE JOSE MARIA AMADOR, CHAPTER OF THE NATIONAL SOCIETY DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION, IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE AND HONOR THE CITY OF DUBLIN'S DEDICATED EFFORTS TO CELEBRATE AND COMMEMORATE OUR [00:05:08] NATION'S 250TH ANNIVERSARY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, HEATHER. AND WE HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION TO PRESENT TO YOU. THANK YOU. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. IT'S SO PRECIOUS. OKAY. YOU WANT TO SHARE THIS? AND THIS IS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE A PHOTO TOGETHER. THIS IS GOOD. BEAUTIFUL. BEAUTIFUL. I WANT TO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. YEAH. SHE MIGHT NEED YOUR HELP. I DO. CAN YOU COME IN FOR A PICTURE? IF YOU DON'T MIND. THAT'D BE A LONG. SHOT. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. ONE. TWO. THREE. THANK YOU. HEATHER. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO PRECIOUS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD TO 3.2 PREVIEW OF SPLATTER 2026. [3.2 Preview of Splatter 2026 ] HI. GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M SHELBY PERRY, RECREATION COORDINATOR FOR THE PARKS AND COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. I AM EXCITED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK PREVIEW OF WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR SPLATTER 2026. THIS YEAR'S EVENT WILL BE ON SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 12TH AT EMERALD GLEN PARK, AND WE HAVE SOME EXCITING NEW ADDITIONS AND ENHANCEMENTS TO SHARE. SO WE'LL ACTUALLY BE KICKING OFF THINGS IN THE MORNING THIS YEAR WITH OUR COLOR RUN, WITH START TIMES AT NINE AND 9:30 A.M., AND THE FESTIVAL ITSELF WILL BE FROM 12 TO 8:30 P.M. DURING THE DAY. SPLATTER WILL CONTINUE TO BE A VERY FAMILY FRIENDLY, AND AS WE MOVE INTO THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING, THE ENERGY WILL SHIFT WITH OUR PRISMA LOUNGE VIP EXPERIENCE, HEADLINING ENTERTAINMENT, AND OUR GRAND FINALE. THIS YEAR, WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THREE STAGES OF ENTERTAINMENT THROUGHOUT THE PARK. OUR MAIN STAGE WILL FEATURE OUR HEADLINERS AND GRAND FINALE. THE AMPHITHEATER STAGE WILL SHOWCASE MULTICULTURAL PERFORMANCES IN THE SIDEYARD STAGE WILL FEATURE LOCAL MUSICIANS AND PERFORMERS. WE'RE ALSO INTRODUCING THE PRISMA LOUNGE VIP EXPERIENCE, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER. THROUGHOUT THE FESTIVAL, WE'LL ALSO HAVE OVER 25 UNIQUE FOOD VENDORS, ARTS AND CRAFTS, WORLD MARKET, CARNIVAL AND OTHER ACTIVITIES, AND PLENTY OF INTERACTIVE ARTS AND CRAFTS. WE'LL ALSO HAVE THE HIGH LIFE EXHIBIT, WHICH IS A STUDENT ART GALLERY PRESENTED BY THE DUBLIN ARTS COLLECTIVE. SO THE PRISMA LOUNGE. THIS IS OUR VIP EXPERIENCE AND IT'S RETURNING THIS YEAR WITH A NEW NAME. IT WAS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE ROSE LOUNGE. THE PRISMA LOUNGE WILL RUN FROM 5 TO 8:30 P.M. ALONGSIDE THE MAIN STAGE AND WILL OFFER INTERACTIVE FOOD STATIONS, A PRIVATE DANCE FLOOR, WINE AND BEER TASTINGS, ROAMING ENTERTAINMENT, A PHOTO BOOTH AREA AND A FRONT ROW EXPERIENCE FOR OUR MAIN STAGE ENTERTAINMENT. AND FINALLY, FOR OUR HEADLINING ENTERTAINMENT, WE'LL HAVE NIGHT TRAIN, WHICH IS AN 80S 90S ROCK COVER BAND, FOLLOWED BY GOODTIME COLLECTIVE, WHICH IS OUR HIP HOP COVER BAND WHO WILL HELP US CLOSE OUT SPLATTER WITH OUR GRAND FINALE. AND WITH THAT, THANKS TO SPLATTER, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYONE ON SEPTEMBER 12TH. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHELBY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK SHELBY? I'M EXCITED. IS THERE GOING TO BE A DRONE SHOW? OH. GOOD ONE. SO THERE WILL NOT BE A DRONE SHOW THIS YEAR, BUT WE WILL HAVE A NICE GRAND FINALE ON THE MAIN STAGE TO CLOSE OUT THE NIGHT. GOT IT. THANK YOU. GOOD. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO I KNOW THIS YEAR HAS A NEW ADDITION THERE. IT'S A COLOR DASH. HOW DO YOU CALL THIS? YEAH, YEAH. SO IT'S A COLOR DASH. FUN RUN. IT'S ABOUT 1.2 MILES. THERE'S FIVE DIFFERENT COLOR STATIONS. SO YOU'LL DO LIKE A NICE JOG UNLESS YOU WANT TO SPRINT IT. YOU COULD DO WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE. ALONG THAT PATH TO. THEY'LL BE COLORS THROWN AT YOU FROM VOLUNTEERS AND COMMISSIONERS INTERACTIVE. DIFFERENT PAINT STATIONS AND THEN DJ PHOTO BOOTH AREA. YEAH. AND THEN A LITTLE SECTION TO AT THE VERY END WHERE YOU CAN GET BLOWN OFF. SO YOU DON'T TAKE ANY OF THAT PAINT HOME WITH YOU. THAT SOUNDS SO COOL. SO I WANT TO SIGN UP. [00:10:01] OKAY, PERFECT. WE'LL SIGN YOU UP. THANK YOU. IT SOUNDS SO COOL. YEAH, IT'LL BE A LOT OF FUN. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD FOR A BIG CELEBRATION TOGETHER. THANK YOU ALL. SO WE PROCEED TO AGENDA ITEM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. [4. PUBLIC COMMENT ] SO AT THIS TIME THE PUBLIC IS PERMITTED TO ADDRESS TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON NON AGENDIZED ITEMS. COMMENTS SHOULD NOT EXCEED THREE MINUTES. SO IF YOU ARE PARTICIPATING REMOTELY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON NON DIGEST ITEMS BUT HAVE NOT YET COMPLETED A SPEAKER SLIP. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AT THIS THIS MOMENT. CITY CLERK WILL READ NAMES OF THOSE IN PERSON FIRST, FOLLOWED BY REMOTE SPEAKER SLIPS AND THEN REMOTE WITH WITH THEIR HANDS RAISED. SO TO RAISE YOUR HAND ON A COMPUTER OR A SMARTPHONE APP. CLICK THE RAISE HAND BUTTON UNDER REACTIONS OR REACT DEPENDING ON YOUR VERSION. IF YOU JOINED BY PHONE, PRESS THE STAR KEY, THEN NINE TO LOWER YOUR HAND ON COMPUTER OR SMARTPHONE APP. CLICK THE LOWER HAND BUTTON. IF YOU'RE JOINING BY PHONE, JUST PRESS STAR NINE AGAIN. SO CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENT? YES, MAYOR, I HAVE THREE SPEAKERS AT THIS POINT. THE FIRST TWO ARE HERE IN THE CHAMBER AND THEN ONE ON ZOOM. SO THE FIRST SPEAKER HERE IN THE CHAMBER IS MIKE GRANT. IT'S ALL GOOD, GENE. TONIGHT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FIREARM SAFETY DEAL THAT WAS LAST THURSDAY NIGHT AND WAS PUT ON PUT TOGETHER BY COLLEEN. AND I WANT TO THANK VIC COLLEEN IN THIS, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL THAT WAS BEHIND SOME OF THIS, I'M SURE, YOU KNOW, I HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAME FROM OTHER CITIES TO IT, AND THEY WERE REALLY IMPRESSED WITH IT. AND AS USUAL, DUBLIN LEADS THE WAY. AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO SPREAD THE WORD TO PLEASANTON. I ALSO WANT TO THANK MIKE FOR BEING THERE AND HAD A GREAT STORY THAT HE BROUGHT UP AND THAT PLAYED RIGHT INTO THE ORIGINAL DEAL ABOUT LOCKING YOUR FIREARMS UP AND MAKING EVERYBODY SAFE IN THIS TOWN. THAT'S DEAR TO YOUR HEART. RIGHT, JEAN? THERE YOU GO. SO SMILE TONIGHT. SO ANYHOW YOU HAVEN'T GOT YOUR LAPTOP, SO YOU CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ME. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE ON WITH THIS TYPE OF A PROGRAM IN THE CITY. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT REALLY FOLLOWING THE CITY ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES TO KEEPING THEIR FIREARMS SAFE FROM BEING STOLEN AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE MORE OF A PROGRAM LIKE THAT AND HAVE A LOT OF YOU COUNCIL PEOPLE INVOLVED IN IT MORE THAN JUST MYSELF AND SOME OF THE OTHERS, BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE STORIES TO TELL. AND COLLEEN CAN ORGANIZE IT AGAIN IN HER SPARE TIME, I'M SURE. MAKE IT HAPPEN. SO ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK VIC AND THE DPS FOR BEING THERE BECAUSE I THINK IT BROUGHT A LOT. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE WERE IMPRESSED THAT THERE WAS THAT MANY PEOPLE THERE INVOLVED. WE EVEN HAD CITY STAFF THERE, WHICH WAS GREAT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MIKE MAYOR. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS DAVE ROBINSON. HI, I'M DAVE ROBINSON, I'M FROM THE BOULEVARD NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M HERE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO LOOK INTO SHORT TERM FIXES TO THE SCARLETT DRIVE SITUATION. THE SCARLETT DRIVE EXPANSION IS HELD UP BY A PIPELINE RELOCATION THAT WAS PLANNED SIX YEARS AGO. RECENTLY, THE CONSTRUCTION COMPANY COVERED THE WHOLE SITE WITH BLACK TARP AND TOLD US THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER TWO YEAR DELAY. MEANWHILE, THE HALF BUILT SCARLETT DRIVE IS UNSAFE AND SUBSTANDARD, EVEN THOUGH IT NOW SERVES HUNDREDS OF NEW HOMES. AND THE NEW SHAMROCK HILLS SCHOOL, WHICH JUST OPENED. STUDENTS WALKING TO SCHOOL ACROSS SCARLETT DRIVE WITH NO CROSSWALK, NO SIGNALS, NO LIGHTING AND LOW VISIBILITY DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION FENCING FOR VEHICLES APPROACHING FROM HORIZON. THE ROAD HAS 3 OR 4 PAINTED STOP LINES, LEAVING DRIVERS UNSURE WHERE TO STOP. MOST EGREGIOUSLY, THERE'S A PAINTED RIGHT TURN LINE ON THE ROAD THAT DIRECTS CARS INTO THE ONCOMING TRAFFIC ON SOUTHBOUND SCARLETT. THE DOUGHERTY INTERSECTION OFTEN BACKS UP ON SCARLETT ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO HORIZON PARKWAY, [00:15:04] WITH ONLY ONE LANE, RIGHT AND LEFT TURNERS BLOCK EACH OTHER, AND ONLY A FEW CARS CAN PASS PER CYCLE. WHEN PEDESTRIANS CROSS THE IRON HORSE TRAIL, WHICH IS TO THE RIGHT, DRIVERS COULD SAFELY TURN LEFT. BUT THE LIGHT TIMING PREVENTS THIS AND NOBODY CAN GO. I HOPE THAT SOME OF YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO THROUGH AND SEE THIS FOR YOURSELVES. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO EXPLAIN IN WORDS. OF COURSE, IT WOULD BE BEST IF THE PIPELINE DELAY COULD BE RESOLVED PROMPTLY, BUT IF THE FULL SCARLETT DRIVE EXPANSION IS YEARS AWAY, I ASKED THE CITY TO RESTRIPE THE HORIZON INTERSECTION INCLUDED CROSSWALK AND TURN ON AND PROPERLY INSTALLED. PROPERLY TIMED THE NEWLY INSTALLED LIGHTS, PREFERABLY BEFORE THE WINTER WHEN PEOPLE WILL BE CROSSING IN THE DARK. THAT WOULD BE A QUICK AND EASY FIX THAT WOULD REDUCE THE RISK OF INJURIES AND EASE CONGESTION AS WE WAIT FOR THE CONTRACTORS TO FINISH THE JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DAVE. THANK YOU MAYOR. THE NEXT SPEAKER IS ON ZOOM AND THAT IS SHIRLEY LEWANDOWSKI. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY NAME IS SHIRLEY LEWANDOWSKI AND I'M A LONG TIME DUBLIN RESIDENT. I WOULD LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY DUBLIN IS CONTEMPLATING SUPPORTING THE EVENT CENTER PROPOSED BY VISIT TRI-VALLEY GROUP AT A COST OF SIPHONING SOME HOMEOWNER AND BUSINESS PROPERTY TAXES TO HELP FUND THE MAINTENANCE OF IT. WHY ISN'T VISIT TRI-VALLEY GROUP AND ITS DEVELOPING PARTNERS OF THIS EVENT CENTER WILLING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THE MAINTENANCE SINCE THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF PROFITS FOR THEM GENERATED FROM THE MILLION DOLLAR REVENUES GAINED BY THE EVENT ACTIVITIES THEY ARE PROJECTING TO GET DUBLIN AND PLEASANTON HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES WHO ARE LOCATED WITHIN A TWO MILE RADIUS OF THE OF THE PROPOSED EVENT CENTER, HAVE BEEN TARGETED TO HAVE PART OF THEIR PROPERTY TAXES USED TO MAINTAIN THE CENTER. HAVE THESE HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES BEEN INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION OF THIS FACT? HAVE THEY AGREED TO IT? AS FAR AS I'VE READ, PLEASANTON CITY FINANCIAL MANAGER IS NOT IN AGREEMENT. OUT OF TOWN. DEVELOPERS CONSTANTLY TARGETING DUBLIN ARE NEVER PUSHED BY PAST AND CURRENT COUNCILS AND CITY MANAGEMENT TO PAY ALL, OR AT LEAST A MAJOR SHARE OF THE COST FOR INFRASTRUCTURE EXPANSION AND POST-DEVELOPMENT MAINTENANCE CREATED FROM THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. I ASK WHY NOT? WHY NOT? THIS EVENT CENTER LOCATION IS ON ALAMEDA COUNTY OWNED UNINCORPORATED LAND. SO WHY ISN'T THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHO SUPPORT THIS EVENT CENTER ARE CONSIDERING USING OTHER COUNTY FUNDS OR GRANTS TO FINANCE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CENTER. AFTER ALL, THE CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY, NOT JUST DUBLIN, PLEASANTON, OR THE TRI-VALLEY. EVEN REGIONAL TEAMS AND BUSINESSES OUTSIDE THE COUNTY CAN USE THE CENTER FOR THEIR SUPPORT TEAMS AND BUSINESS CONVENTION ACTIVITIES. SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE'S THE BENEFIT OF THIS PROPOSED EVENT CENTER TO THE DUBLIN AND PLEASANTON HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES WHO WILL BE AFFECTED THAT WON'T IMPACT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES. AS USUAL, IT SEEMS TO ME THE BENEFIT AGAIN WEIGHS MORE HEAVILY IN FAVOR OF DEVELOPERS AND NOT THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SHIRLEY. SO AT THIS STAGE WE ARE ALSO JUST EVALUATING THIS PROJECT. BUT THANK YOU TO BRING THIS UP, MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND. WE HAVE MADE NO STATEMENT OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT. THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT DISCUSSED THE MATTER IN A PUBLIC FORUM. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS LISTENING AND REQUESTING INFORMATION ON WHAT THE FUNDING PLAN IS FOR THE CENTER. SO I'M NOT, I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THE MEDIA CAN SORT OF TURN INFORMATION AROUND WHEN OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WE HAVE MADE NO FORMAL STATEMENT OF SUPPORT. AND AGAIN, WE ARE IN A LISTENING AND LEARNING PHASE. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I HAVE NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO MOVING ON. WE HAVE A AGENDA ITEM FIVE CONSENT CALENDAR. [5. CONSENT CALENDAR] SO CONSENT CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ARE TYPICALLY NON-CONTROVERSIAL IN NATURE AND ARE CONSIDERED FOR APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL WITH ONE SINGLE VOTE. SO IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, PLEASE COMPLETE THE SPEAKER SLIP OR JUST RAISE YOUR HAND AT THIS TIME. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENTS RELATED TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR AT ONE TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? MAYOR, I HAVE NO SPEAKER SLIPS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, AND THERE IS NO ONE IN ZOOM RAISING THEIR HAND AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO I WANT TO ASK OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON ANY CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS? NO NO NO. SO I WILL ASK YEAH. HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. [00:20:06] BOTH ITEMS. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. SO AT FIRST THEN THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY I I I I. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO CONSENT CALENDAR PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. SO NUMBER SEVEN, UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 7.1 REGULATION OF FIRE RETAILERS AND INDOOR [7.1 Regulation of Firearm Retailers and Indoor Shooting Ranges] SHOOTING RANGES. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. JENNIFER BIAS. PLANNING MANAGER HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE RULES AROUND FIREARM RETAILING AND INDOOR RANGES. AND GET SOME POLICY DIRECTION TONIGHT. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND TO SET UP THIS ISSUE. OUR CURRENT MUNICIPAL CODE REGULATES FIREARM RETAIL AS A RETAIL USE AND INDOOR RANGES AS RECREATIONAL INDOOR USES. AND WHAT PROMPTED THIS INQUIRY OR THE, THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN TONIGHT WE RECEIVED AN INQUIRY FOR A RETAIL RANGE NEAR THE BASIS INDEPENDENT SCHOOL IN DOWNTOWN DUBLIN. BASED ON THAT WE DID BRING FORWARD AND THE COUNCIL DID ADOPT A MORATORIUM ON JANUARY 20TH THIS YEAR. AND THEN IN MARCH, WE EXTENDED THAT MORATORIUM THROUGH JANUARY 27TH, 2027. DURING THIS TIME, WE'RE REVIEWING EXISTING LAWS, LOCAL AUTHORITY, LOOKING AT SECOND AMENDMENT CASES AND OTHER JURISDICTION RULES TO LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT BE THE APPROACH FOR DUBLIN. AGAIN, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW RULES AS I'VE LEARNED THAT EXIST FOR THE FRAMEWORK OF FIREARMS, SOME RELATED TO RETAILING AND THEN OTHERS RELATED TO INDOOR FIRING RANGE IS AGAIN, THE STATE AND FEDERALS TYPICALLY DEAL WITH LICENSING TRANSACTIONS, WEIGHT PERIODS, BACKGROUND CHECKS, RECORDS, STORAGE, QUITE A BIT OF THE SAFETY ISSUES AND INSPECTIONS. THERE'S ALSO A SCHOOL ZONES LAW, STATE AND FEDERAL THAT PREVENT POSSESSION OF FIREARMS WITHIN 1000FT OF RULES. THIS DOESN'T ALLOW BAN BUSINESSES FROM BEING ESTABLISHED WITHIN 1000FT, BUT IT DOES PREVENT PEOPLE CARRYING INTO WHAT'S CALLED THE SCHOOL SAFE ZONE. THERE'S ALSO QUITE A FEW REGULATIONS AROUND INDOOR FIRING RANGES RELATED TO WORKPLACE SAFETY. OSHA, BOTH THE FEDERAL AND CALIFORNIA HAVE LED VENTILATION AND EMPLOYEE SAFE RULES REGARDING THIS. THERE'S ALSO THE DEPARTMENT OF TOXICOLOGY HANDLES AND DISPOSAL REQUIREMENTS REGARDING LEAD OR OTHER KIND OF MATERIALS. TYPICALLY, THERE'S SPECIALIZED PLANS THAT GO ALONG WITH THESE FACILITIES. AND OF COURSE, THE CITY'S ROLE IS THE LOCATION THROUGH OUR ZONING CODES AND BUILDING MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, FIRE AND ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. SO OUR PLANNING APPROACH HERE WAS TO LOOK AT POTENTIAL FILLING IN SOME LAND USE GAPS AND NOT MAYBE NECESSARILY CREATE DUPLICATIVE PROCESSES WITH OUR FEDERAL AND STATE REGULATORS AS PART OF OUR REVIEW. IT WAS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT HOW EXISTING CASE LAWS ALSO PLAY INTO FIREARM REGULATIONS. AND FOR THAT, I'M TURNING THIS SLIDE OVER TO JOHN TO TO DO THE PRESENTATION. THANKS, JENNIFER. WELL, WE HAVE SEVERAL CASES UP THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THEM. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THE GIST. IN 2017, THERE WAS AN ALAMEDA COUNTY CASE THAT I CALLED TECH SARA, WHICH IS A PORTUGUESE NAME THAT I HEAR USED AND SAID TECH SARAH. SO I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. THAT CASE BASICALLY RESTRICTED THE COUNTY OF ALAMEDA RESTRICTED GUN SALES AND SORT OF DEALT WITH, DEALT WITH GUN STORES BY LOCATION, HOW FAR AWAY THEY ARE FROM ONE ANOTHER. THE COURT UPHELD THE COUNTY'S PROGRAM. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT ADOPTED A A TOTALLY NEW STANDARD FOR EVALUATING REGULATIONS UNDER THE SECOND AMENDMENT THAT LOOKS BACK AT THE NATION'S HISTORICAL [00:25:02] TRADITION OF FIREARM REGULATIONS. SO YOU HAVE TO, LIKE, GO BACK AND LOOK AT WHAT THE RULES WERE IN 1789 TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER YOU CAN REGULATE WHETHER YOU CAN, WHETHER A GUN CONTROL REGULATION IS LAWFUL, IF IT, IF IT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT EXISTED AT THE TIME OF THE FOUNDING. THE, THOSE CASES REALLY INVOLVE THE, THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. IT'S THE RIGHT TO ACQUIRE ARMS AND THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT TO LEARN HOW TO USE THEM TO TRAIN. AND THE COURTS HAVE SAID THAT THOSE THAT, THAT, THAT THOSE RIGHTS ARE COROLLARY RIGHTS RELATED TO THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. IF YOU CAN'T ACQUIRE THEM, THEN, THEN YOU DON'T HAVE, THEN YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. AND SIMILARLY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEARN HOW TO USE THEM, YOU CANNOT PROPERLY HAVE YOUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. THERE ARE TWO NINTH CIRCUIT CASES, B AND L AND GWIN THAT ARE LISTED UP HERE. THE NINTH CIRCUIT IS THE FEDERAL DISTRICT THAT WE'RE IN THE COURT OF APPEALS. AND BOTH OF THOSE CASES HAVE TALKED ABOUT POST BRUIN HOW LOCATION RESTRICTIONS ARE. THEY EVALUATED. LOCATION RESTRICTIONS AND INDICATED THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING SORT OF TEXT ERA RULES MAY BE LAWFUL WAYS TO REGULATE. I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE WITH ALL OF THESE CASES IS THAT TO THE EXTENT YOU DON'T TOTALLY ELIMINATE EITHER THE RIGHT TO BEAR THE RIGHT TO ACQUIRE WEAPONS OR FIREARMS AND THE RIGHT TO, TO TRAIN IF, IF THE RESTRICTIONS ARE, ARE NOT TOO MEANINGFUL. THE REGULATION IS GOING TO BE UPHELD UNDER THE CURRENT STANDARDS. WE HONESTLY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD WILL BE IF IT EVER GETS TO THE US SUPREME COURT. BUT THESE NINTH CIRCUIT DECISIONS CERTAINLY HELP AND REDUCE THE RISK BECAUSE OF THE, THIS MEANINGFUL CONSTRAINT CONSTRAINT STANDARD THAT THEY HAVE ADOPTED. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT BACK TO JENNIFER TO, TO CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. AND THEN PART OF OUR RESEARCH, WE ALSO LOOKED AT COMPARABLE JURISDICTIONS. WE LOOKED AT 14 DIFFERENT CALIFORNIA JURISDICTIONS. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT CHICAGO. AGAIN, WHY DID WE INCLUDE CHICAGO? BECAUSE IT'S RESTRICTIONS GENERATED SOME FEDERAL LITIGATION THAT WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTOOD. THE PURPOSE OF OUR RESEARCH WAS TO LOOK AT IDENTIFYING TOOLS, NOT NECESSARILY, AGAIN, COPYING ANYBODY'S PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, BUT TO FIND WHAT WOULD SUIT OUR LOCAL NEEDS. AND ALSO IT'S IMPORTANT TO, AS DARREN MENTIONED, A LOT OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WE RESEARCHED AND OUR EXISTING TODAY ARE THE PRE BRUIN. SO WOULD HAVE TO BE KIND OF LOOKED AT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE OVERALL REVIEW UNDER THE LAWS, COMMON OVERLAPS AND THEMES THAT WE FOUND LOCAL OPERATING PERMITS. AND ALSO AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE PERMITS COVERED THE SAME FEDERAL AND STATE PROGRAMS, AS. ALSO, ONE OF THE MOST USEFUL TOOLS WE FOUND WAS CLEAR OBJECTIVE SEPARATION STANDARDS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY AFTER WE FIRST REVIEWED WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES DO. SO THE MAIN TAKEAWAY, AGAIN, OF SOME OF THAT RESEARCH WAS A COMMON TOOL THAT'S USED IN PLANNING TO REGULATE USES IS BUFFERS OR SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS. WE FOUND RIGHT THROUGH THE 14 JURISDICTIONS. WE LOOKED AT CHICAGO THAT THESE WERE THE MOST USEFUL CATEGORIES TO CATEGORIZE THEM RESIDENTIAL, EDUCATIONAL, CHILD ORIENTED, COMMUNITY AND CIVIC. AND THEN OTHER REGULATED, WHICH ARE LIKE DISTANCE BETWEEN FIREARM RETAILERS OR DISTANCE BETWEEN TOBACCO RETAILER AND FIREARM RETAILER. THAT'S WHAT THAT LAST IS. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE ARE QUITE VARIABILITY BETWEEN THE DISTANCE AND BUFFERS. SO ALTHOUGH WE LIKED THIS TOOL IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY GIVE US A, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. BUT A PATTERN AGAIN OF SCHOOLS AND CHILD ORIENTED USES WERE FOUND WITH OUR RESEARCH. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHERE WE TOOK OUR FOCUS WAS LOOKING AT SCHOOLS AS COMPATIBLE USES. AND AGAIN, THAT ALSO WAS WHAT PROMPTED THIS REVIEW. WE WERE LOOKING AT SCHOOL AT THE BASE OF SCHOOL AND THEN THE REQUEST FOR THE RETAILER. SO WE FOCUSED ON LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE THESE TOOLS TO ESTABLISH SEPARATIONS HERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE PERFORMED AN ANALYSIS AND THE ANALYSIS STARTED WITH THE EXISTING LAND USES COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 1136 ACRES IN THE CITY THAT WOULD ALLOW FIREARM OR INDOOR [00:30:06] RECREATION, INDOOR REC WHICH ALLOWS THE RANGES. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT. IF YOU APPLIED A BUFFER TO EXISTING SCHOOLS 500FT, HOW MANY ACRES WOULD REMAIN? ABOUT 95% OF THOSE ACRES. THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL WOULD REMAIN. AND THEN AGAIN, IF YOU APPLIED 1000 FOOT SEPARATION FOR SCHOOLS 83% WOULD REMAIN. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID ALSO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE FELT THAT TOBACCO, WE, OUR EXISTING BUFFER STANDARD FOR TOBACCO RETAILERS. WE ALSO TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. THE ONE THING THAT ISN'T CONSISTENT WITH OUR TOBACCO RETAILERS IS WE DIDN'T DO THE RETAILER TO RETAILER. BUT IF YOU APPLY TO SIMILAR STANDARD FOR TOBACCO RETAILER, YOU DROP DOWN TO 63%. THE RESEARCH AGAIN FOR THE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS, THE 500 ZERO ZERO ZERO FOOT STANDARD. WHY DO WE PICK THAT? THAT WAS BASED ON OUR RESEARCH FROM THE TOOLS WE EXAMINED. AND AGAIN ADDRESSING THE INQUIRY THAT WE WERE LOOKING TO ADDRESS. AND ALSO I WANTED TO NOTE THE TOBACCO COMPARISON WAS. IN ADDITION TO SCHOOLS, IT ALSO ADDED PARKS, LIBRARIES, YOUTH, YOUTH USES AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. BUT ALL OF THESE OPTIONS STILL LEAVE ENOUGH OF US TO EVALUATE WHICH TOOL WE MIGHT WANT TO APPLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT, WE DID PRESENT SOME OPTIONS. AND THE FIRST OPTION IS REALLY TO LEAVE THINGS AS THEY ARE. AND IN THAT CASE, WE MIGHT HAVE AGAIN, THE BASIS ISSUE WHERE A RETAILER COULD GO IN ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL. THE SECOND OPTION WAS AGAIN, WE COULD LOOK AT APPLYING A 500 FOOT SEPARATION STANDARD. THIRD OPTION, THE TOBACCO STANDARD. AND ALSO THE FOURTH OPTION, WHICH IS THE OPTION THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE 1000 FOOT STANDARD. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHY IT'S CLEAR WHY WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE 1000 FOOT STANDARD AGAIN. THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THE REVIEW WITH SCHOOLS. SO WE THOUGHT LIMITING IT TO SCHOOLS WOULD HELP ADDRESS WHAT PROMPTED OUR ISSUES. THE 1000FT CORRESPONDS TO OUR STATE AND FEDERAL RULES REGARDING A GUN FREE ZONE, SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE AREA TO POINT TO. WE ALREADY HAVE STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS AROUND IT. THE 500FT DID PROVIDE A GREATER OR LESS SEPARATION. BUT YOU KNOW, WE THOUGHT THE 1000FT WOULD CORRESPONDED NICELY WITH THE FEDERAL AND STATE ZONES. WHY DO WE NOT WANT TO LOOK AT THE TOBACCO OR WHY DID WE NOT RECOMMEND IN OUR RECOMMENDATION THE TOBACCO. WE FELT THAT THAT MIGHT EXTEND BEYOND WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS, WHICH WAS THE SCHOOL COMPATIBILITY. AND AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING REGULATIONS THROUGH THE STATE AND FEDS THAT ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERNS RELATED WITH FIREARM RETAILING AND INDOOR GUN RANGES. SO IT'S NOT QUITE THE SAME APPLE TO APPLE COMPARISON WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT A TOBACCO SALES VERSUS FIREARM SALES. NOT EVERYBODY CAN JUST WALK IN AND MAKE THOSE SAME TYPES OF PURCHASES SAME DAY. SO IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT BEAST WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO USES. BUT AGAIN, FOR COMPARISON, WE THOUGHT IT WAS HELPFUL. THOSE TOOLS ARE VERY COMMON TOOLS THAT A LOT OF COMMUNITIES USE FOR SEPARATION STANDARDS WHEN THERE'S CONCERNS ABOUT COMPATIBILITIES BETWEEN LAND USES. AND WITH THAT, WE'RE AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT, OF COURSE, IS TO RECEIVE OUR REPORT AND THEN HAVE SOME DIRECTION PROVIDED TO US. AGAIN, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GIVE US DIRECTION TO AMEND THE CODE AND ESTABLISH THE THOUSAND FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN FIREARM RELATED USES AND PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS. WE ALSO ARE LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION RELATED TO AN EVALUATION RECOMMENDING WHETHER THE CITY'S CURRENT PROCESS FOR BUILDING PERMITS IN INDOOR FIRE RANGE SHOULD DOCUMENT THE COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE WORKPLACE SAFETY AND ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS AS THEY GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH CURRENTLY, EVERYONE THAT BUILDS AN INDOOR FIRE RANGE. INDOOR SHOOTING RANGE IS SUBJECT TO THOSE RULES. BUT OUR PROCESS, WE WERE SUGGESTING THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE A CHECK IN OUR PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY COMPLIED WITH THOSE RULES. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE JUST SUBJECT TO THEM. THE CITY DOESN'T NECESSARILY ENSURE THAT THOSE REGULATIONS HAVE BEEN MET. WE DO NOT CHECK THOSE REGULATIONS, BUT WE COULD LOOK AT DEVELOPING A PROGRAM THROUGH OUR PROCESS THAT WOULD LOOK AT IF THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US TO DO WITH THAT. I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU JENNIFER. I SAY FIRST OPEN TO THE QUESTIONS. SURE. I'VE GOT JUST ONE QUESTION FOR MR. BARKER, THE I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD CHIME IN ON THE TOBACCO RETAILER SEPARATION. [00:35:03] IF THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED MEANINGFUL CONSTRAINT ON ACCESS GIVEN THE, THE WHEN 2025 CASE. LIKE, IS THAT OVERSTEPPING OR NOT? I GUESS IS MY QUESTION. WELL, I, I THINK I FIND SOME COMFORT IN THE, THE FACT THAT 67% OF THE CITY'S RETAIL ACREAGE IS STILL AVAILABLE EVEN IN THAT ONE. I THINK I THINK WE FIND MORE COMFORT IN THE RESTRICTION IN THE STANDARD WHEN IT'S BASED ON THE SCHOOLS, MUCH LIKE THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. BUT I THINK WE CAN JUSTIFY OR DEFEND AN APPROACH BASED ON THE TOBACCO STANDARD AND BASED ON THE CASE LAW, YOU DON'T HAVE A NUMBER IN TERMS OF. NO, I DEFINITELY DON'T HAVE A NUMBER. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THERE'S A LOT OF GRAY AREA HERE. AND THERE'S ALSO A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY ABOUT WHAT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WOULD DO IF THEY WERE EVER FACED WITH ONE OF THESE LOCATION BASED CHALLENGES. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION? MY QUESTIONS ARE IN A SIMILAR VEIN. THE. THERE WAS NO. WHEN IT SAYS MEANINGFULLY CONSTRAINED, THAT WAS NOT DEFINED ANYWHERE. IS THAT IS THAT ACCURATE TO SAY? YEAH THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S LIKE A LOT OF A LOT OF LAW TURNS ON REASONABLENESS AND IT'S JUST LEFT SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN. AND, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT WHEN WE SEE IT KIND OF SITUATION. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITH THE MEANINGFUL CONSTRAINTS DOCTRINE AND THE, THE, THE LAW THAT SAID IT WAS A MEANINGFUL CONSTRAINT. DO YOU REMEMBER THE PERCENTAGE THAT WAS AVAILABLE IN THAT CITY? I BELIEVE IT WAS CHICAGO, RIGHT. FOR BRUEN. YEAH. I THINK IT WAS IT THE CASE, THE TEIXEIRA CASE. THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A GUN STORE, THERE WERE SEVERAL GUN STORES. SO THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE WHERE THERE WERE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES. EVEN THOUGH THEY RESTRICTED THAT PARTICULAR GUN STORE IN CHICAGO. IT WAS DOWN TO LIKE 10% OF THE OF THE CITY OR SOMETHING VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE THAT WAS MADE AVAILABLE IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE WHERE THE, WHERE THE REGULATION WAS STRUCK DOWN, 67% OF THE CITY'S TERRITORY IS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 10%. SO I THINK, I THINK WE'D BE IN GOOD SHAPE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. OKAY. AND THEN WE HAVE A CHART IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT ON THE SLIDES THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THE COMPARATOR CITIES IN OUR AREA, IN ADDITION TO CHICAGO ARE, ARE DOING. MAYBE IT WASN'T THE SLIDES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN WHEN MY COMPUTER WAS DOWN AND I WAS TRYING TO REBOOT, BUT IT SPECIFICALLY PLEASANT HILL, PALO ALTO, THE COUNTY, SAN CARLOS, SAN MARCOS AND CHICAGO, WHICH I'M, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT HAVE THE MORE THE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE MORE SIMILAR OR REGULATIONS THAT ARE MORE SIMILAR TO OUR TOBACCO STANDARD. AND DO WE KNOW FOR THOSE CITIES WHAT AVAILABILITY IS LEFT IN SOME OF THOSE CITIES? I THINK WE KNOW IN A COUPLE OF THEM. IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW, BUT JENNIFER MAY KNOW. YEAH. AND THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. I THINK IT'S GOOD. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS JUST A CURSORY WHAT TOOLS ARE AVAILABLE? WHEN WE REVIEWED ALL OF THESE CODES, WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY LOOKING FOR WHAT'S A REASONABLENESS STANDARD BETWEEN. AND WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE DATA. AND WHEN WE DID REACH OUT AND ASK A FEW OF THOSE JURISDICTIONS THEY WERE SLIGHTLY HESITANT BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ESTABLISH ORDINANCES, BUSINESSES COME AND GO. SO A LOT OF THEIR RESEARCH WASN'T THE SAME APPLES TO APPLES OF WE DID A GIS ANALYSIS OF LAND USE AVAILABLE AND THEN A BUFFER RESTRICTION. THEY WERE LOOKING AT IT MAYBE AS WE HAVE THIS MANY ALREADY EXISTING AND IF WE APPLY APPLIED A BUFFER TO OUR AREAS, HOW MANY SITES WOULD BE AVAILABLE? SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A COUNT OF SITES RATHER THAN AN ACREAGE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I TALKED TO ALAMEDA COUNTY, THEY WERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE COUNTY'S A LOT OF OPEN SPACE AGRICULTURE USES. AND THEY WERE SAYING THEY HAD TWO SITES. NOW, I DIDN'T ASK, WELL, HOW MUCH ACREAGE ARE THOSE TWO SITES? RIGHT. SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE INFORMATION. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT I LOOKED AT ARE CALLED AND WAS ABLE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. THEY WERE SAYING, WELL, AT THE TIME WE ADOPTED OUR ORDINANCE, THERE WERE TEN, 5 TO 10% LEFT, BUT NOW, RIGHT, TWO OF THOSE BUSINESSES WENT OUT SO WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT IT IS TODAY. SO IT CHANGES AND GROWS OVER TIME. AND A LOT OF THE REASONS BEHIND WHY AN ORDINANCE WAS UPDATED MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN WHY WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT MAKING CHANGES TO OUR ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION REALLY WAS FOR THE ONES THAT WE KNOW. WHAT WERE THE PERCENTAGES? AND WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS LIKE 10% LEFT. THE COUNTY SAID NOT NECESSARILY A PERCENTAGE, BUT ONLY TWO SITES AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN 67% IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE QUESTION. [00:40:06] CORRECT. FOR THE ONES THAT WE KNOW THERE, THERE ARE SOME THAT WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO. RIGHT. I DID NOT DO AN EXTENSIVE ALL THE 14 ONES. BUT BUT WELL, THERE WAS ONLY LIKE FIVE THAT HAD THE THAT SORT OF A STANDARD. AND THEN THE, BUT OF COURSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DEFINITION IS. AND MOST OF THOSE I THINK ONLY ONE OF THOSE WAS ADOPTED POST BRUIN. THE REST OF THEM WERE, WERE PRE BRUIN. BUT THEY'VE NOT BEEN CHALLENGED POST. NONE OF THEM THAT WERE ON THAT CHART HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED. CORRECT. RIGHT. IT WAS ONLY PALO ALTO THAT HAD BEEN ADOPTED POST BRUIN. OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THEIR PERCENTAGE. I DID NOT HEAR BACK FROM THEM. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS IF WE WERE TO GO WITH THE TOBACCO STANDARD. FOR LACK OF CALLING IT. ANYTHING ELSE. OPTION THREE WOULD THERE BE ANY PARTICULAR SECTOR OF DUBLIN'S COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL AREAS THAT WOULD WOULD BE ELIMINATED COMPLETELY. LET ME SEE IF I CAN ANSWER THAT ONE. I THINK THE MOST HELPFUL MAYBE FOR YOU AND I UNFORTUNATELY DON'T HAVE IT ON A SLIDE. BUT ON PAGE 43, ATTACHMENT FOUR GIVES YOU THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL LAND USE COMPARISONS. AND AT THE TOP WE'VE GOT OUR 500,000 FOOT AND THEN THE TOBACCO, AND THEN IT LISTS ALL THE LAND USES. SO YOU CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE TOP BUSINESS PARK INDUSTRIAL STARTS OUT WITH 101 AND IT GOES DOWN TO 50. THE OVERALL TOTAL. OKAY. AM I MISSING? MY QUESTION WAS DOES ANY OF THEM GO TO ZERO? DOES NOT APPEAR TO. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THERE ISN'T THIS ALSO THAT WAS HALF THE QUESTION THAT THE OTHER PART WAS, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR SECTION WITHIN LIKE THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THE YOU KNOW, AND IF WE LOOK AT THE MAP THAT SHOWS THE CIRCLES THAT ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT, NOTHING IS COMPLETELY ELIMINATED, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY QUESTIONS FOR NOW. THANK YOU. ANY ANY QUESTION FROM YOU? THIS ON WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHEN WE DEFINED WHEN WE DEFINE SEPARATION, IT LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN, WE HAD AN INTERESTED PARTY THAT BOTH WANTED TO ESTABLISH A RETAIL SALES POINT AS WELL AS AN INDOOR RANGE. SO IT'S JUST A SIMPLE, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR LATER ON, BUT A SIMPLE CLARIFICATION. ARE WE LOOKING AT THE SEPARATION? THE DEFINITION TO INCLUDE BOTH THE SALES OF WEAPONS AND AMMUNITION AND LOOKING AT IT IN THE SAME LIGHT AS THOSE AREAS THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DISCHARGE YOUR WEAPON IN A CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT, LIKE A RANGE. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS COLLECTIVELY WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE RETAILERS AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE GUN RANGE. AND OFTENTIMES THEY'RE KIND OF THE SAME PROBABLY. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT THAT IS. AND AND I GUESS I GOT LOST ON ONE LITTLE THING THAT, THAT 1000 FOOT AND YOU CAN PULL IT UP SOMEWHERE. IS THAT FEDERAL AND STATE RIGHT NOW? OR IS THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL THESE, THESE EXAMPLES HERE, BUT WHERE IS THAT BASIS LINE ACTUALLY COMING FROM. OKAY. SO TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, RIGHT, THE CURRENT DEFINITION IN OUR CODE FIREARM SALES IS RETAIL. INDOOR FIRE RANGE IS INDOOR RECREATION USE. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT STILL KEEPING THOSE USES DEFINED IN THOSE TWO CATEGORIES, BUT ESTABLISHING A BUFFER. IT'S JUST MY UNDERSTANDING THROUGH DOING THIS RESEARCH AND TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT MOST PLACES THAT ARE PRACTICING INDOOR RANGE, THEY ALSO WANT TO SELL AMMUNITIONS AND THE LICENSING IS THE SAME. SO THEY END UP ALMOST BECOMING A ONE AND THE SAME RETAIL BECAUSE THEY'RE SELLING AMMUNITION SO PEOPLE CAN PRACTICE. BUT YOU KNOW, I CAN'T SAY THAT EVERY EVERY RANGE OPERATES THAT WAY. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT OPERATES. SO THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME. BUT WE WOULD STILL KEEP THEM AS AS KIND OF INDEPENDENT LAND USES WITH THE CRITERIA OF, AGAIN, IF WE ESTABLISH A BUFFER AROUND THEM. HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION AND I'M NOT SURE IF I COMPLETELY. MAYBE YOU COULD CLARIFY THE FEDERAL AND STATE. YEAH. WHERE DID THAT. WHERE DID THE THOUSAND FOOT NUMBER COME FROM? I MEAN, IT CAME FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, BUT JUST REMIND ME WHERE IT CAME FROM. YEAH. AND IT'S ON HERE. RIGHT. THE FEDERAL AND STATE BOTH HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE. [00:45:05] AND THAT'S 1000FT. IT'S A POSSESSION, RIGHT? IT'S YOU CAN'T COME IN AND BRING A FIREARM WITHIN 1000FT. SO IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT SALES OF FIREARMS OR THOSE TYPES OF TRANSACTIONS. SO WHEN WE WERE FIRST LOOKING AT RESEARCHING THIS QUESTION, WE HAD THAT AND TALKED WITH THE ATF AND, AND SAID, HEY, DOESN'T THIS PROHIBIT YOU FROM ISSUING A LICENSE THAT CLOSE TO A SCHOOL? AND THEY SAID, NO, THAT'S THE CRIMINAL CODE, NOT A LAND USE CODE. OKAY. THAT LEADS TO MY FINAL QUESTION. WHEN WE DEFINE GUN FREE ZONES, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT. AND THIS COULD BE VERY EASY QUESTION TO ANSWER. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT A GUN THAT YOU BOUGHT OVER THERE? IT'S EMPTY. IT'S IN A BOX. WHATEVER. I'M GIVING YOU A SCENARIO, RIGHT? YOU'RE BRINGING IT INTO THIS ZONE, RIGHT? IS THAT CATEGORIZED OR DOES THE WEAPON HAVE TO BE LOADED? JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, JOHN, DID YOU HAVE SOME? IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LOADED, BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF EXCEPTIONS. LIKE IF YOU HAVE AN UNLOCKED GUN SAFE OR YOU KNOW, IT ONLY APPLIES WHEN YOU'RE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. SO IF YOU HAPPEN TO LIVE WITHIN A SCHOOL ZONE YOU CAN HAVE FIREARMS ON YOUR, ON YOUR PROPERTY, ON YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY. I THINK YOU CAN TRANSPORT THEM AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN SECURE, YOU KNOW, LOCK BOXES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE ARE OTHER EXCEPTIONS AS WELL. IT'S NOT ABSOLUTE. THERE ARE SEVERAL EXCEPTIONS. OKAY, SO GETTING BACK, WE'RE TREATING THESE EXAMPLES AND WE'RE PULLING BOTH OF THEM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RETAIL ASPECT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE RANGE AND WE'RE PULLING THEM TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS THEN. RIGHT. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU JOHN. ANY QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD EVENING, MISS BLISS. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT ARE JUST GENERAL INFORMATIONAL TO HELP ME CLARIFY A FEW THINGS AND THEN A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL. THE FIRST QUESTION THAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS WITH REGARD TO THIS CURRENT EVENT OR PROPRIETOR INQUIRY. PRIOR TO THAT, HOW MANY SORT OF INQUIRIES HAVE RECEIVED FROM OTHER PROPRIETORS THAT WANTED TO COME TO DUBLIN FOR THIS TYPE OF SALE OR RANGE? SO I'M RELATIVELY NEW, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE HAD MANY INQUIRIES, IF ANY AT ALL. THE STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND AGAIN HAVEN'T REPORTED BACK THAT. YEAH, THAT'S A FREQUENT OCCURRENCE. AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE OR WE DID HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS IN DUBLIN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IT'S INFREQUENT AND OR QUITE RARE. YES. IF I MAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THEN I'D LIKE TO ASK ANOTHER CLARIFYING QUESTION AS WELL, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SCHOOL AS IT RELATES TO THE TOPIC AT HAND AT THE MOMENT? IS IT A PHYSICAL BUILDING THAT HAS TO HAVE X NUMBER OF STUDENTS. IS IT A DAYCARE THAT IS IN A HOME? LIKE JUST SHARE WITH ME THE CONCEPT OF THE TERM SCHOOL. SO I CAN CONTEXTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE RESTRICTIONS ARE IN TERMS OF LAND USE. YEAH, IT'S A PUBLIC AND PRIVATE K THROUGH 12, I BELIEVE SCHOOL. SO IT WOULD INCLUDE BOTH. DOES NOT INCLUDE DAYCARE. WE REGULATE DAYCARES SEPARATELY, HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF THEM. OKAY. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND THEN THE NEXT QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU ALMOST PARLAYING OFF OF MY MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHICH IS REGARD TO THE ATF AND THE OPTION NUMBER THREE THAT WAS PROVIDED PROCEDURALLY SPEAKING, IF WE WERE TO STAY WITH THE ATF APPROACH, WOULD THAT CREATE MORE OR LESS WORK FOR YOU IN TERMS OF MANAGING THIS PARTICULAR POLICY IN THE FUTURE? SO IF WE WENT WITH OPTION FOUR, WOULD WE BASICALLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS EVERY YEAR AND UPDATE IT IF THINGS CHANGED OR IF WE JUST FOLLOWED ATF, WHATEVER ATF SAID, WE WOULD JUST BE COMPLIANT WITH WHICH ONE WOULD CREATE LESS WORK FOR STAFF. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION OF RELATED TO ATF. SO IF WE WENT WITH OPTION FOUR AND WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG WITH OR SORRY. NO, NOT OPTION FOUR THREE. YES, I OPTION THREE. IF WE GO WITH OPTION THREE AND WE SAID, OKAY, WE'RE JUST GOING TO WHENEVER ATF CHANGES IT BECAUSE, RIGHT, WHATEVER RULES THEY GO WITH. AND WE SAY WE'RE JUST GOING TO COMPLY WITH THOSE RULES. [00:50:01] IS IT LESS WORK FOR YOU AS STAFF TO MAINTAIN THAT, OR IS IT LESS WORK FOR YOU TO MAINTAIN OPTION FOUR, WHICH IS US TO PUT A 1000 FOOT SCHOOL SEPARATION IN OUR POLICY? SO JUST TO CLARIFY, EITHER POLICY THREE, OPTION 3 OR 4, WE WOULD ESTABLISH A SEPARATION BUFFER THROUGH OUR LOCAL CODES. SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO US TO ENFORCE AND IMPLEMENT THROUGH OUR NORMAL BUSINESS PRACTICES LIKE BUSINESS LICENSES AND BUILDING PERMITS IF FEDERAL OR STATE LAW CHANGED. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO BE COMPLIANT. BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE CHANGES WERE RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO FEDERAL OR STATE LAWS THAT REQUIRE SEPARATION. RIGHT. THE SEPARATION OR THE 1000 FOOT RECOMMENDATION IN THE SCHOOL FREE ZONE IS A CRIMINAL. YOU CAN'T BRING A GUN IN. IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT BUSINESSES FROM GOING ON IN THAT AREA. SO THE LOCAL SEPARATION REQUIREMENT WOULD ALLOW A PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO SAY, THROUGH A ZONING CLEARANCE OR A BUSINESS LICENSE TO SAY, OH, YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR BUSINESS AT THIS ADDRESS BECAUSE YOU'RE 90FT FROM A SCHOOL. SO THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE IRREGARDLESS. AND THUS, SOMEHOW THE FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHED EITHER MORE RESTRICTIVE STANDARDS THAN THAT OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT TO ADDRESS IT. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE MORE WORK. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY KIND OF ANNUAL REPORTING ON THIS. IT'S JUST IF BUSINESSES COME, COME IN AND MAKE INQUIRIES, WE WOULD HAVE OBJECTIVE STANDARDS TO SAY YES OR NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS I WAS KIND OF HEADED TO HOW MUCH WORK WAS REQUIRED FOR YOU TO DO THIS. AND THEN I'M GOING TO SAY ONE MORE QUESTION ON THAT ATF PART OF IT. SO IF IT WERE TO STAY WITHIN, WITHIN, IF WE WERE TO, WITH OPTION THREE RIGHT. IT'S SORT OF WE'RE STAYING WITHIN ATF JURISDICTION, IF YOU WILL, OF, OF THEIR THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WOULD THAT BE A CORRECT STATEMENT OR IS THAT NOT THE CASE HERE? NO. OPTION. THREE THE TOBACCO OR THE TOBACCO STANDARD. THAT IS OUR EXISTING STANDARD OF HOW THE CITY CURRENTLY REGULATES TOBACCO RETAILERS. SO IF YOU WANT TO OPEN UP A BUSINESS THAT SELLS TOBACCO, WE ALREADY HAVE A STANDARD IN PLACE THAT SAYS, IF YOU'RE 1000FT FROM THE SCHOOL, YOU CANNOT SELL TOBACCO, RIGHT? WE WOULD NOT ISSUE A BUSINESS LICENSE ON THAT. SO IT WOULD BE THE SAME STANDARD AND THE SAME PROCESS, A VERY SIMILAR PROCESS. RIGHT. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND UPDATE OUR CODE AND ESTABLISH THE PROCESS, BUT IT WOULD BE A LOCAL STANDARD. OKAY. GOT IT. SORRY. THE DEFINITION OF THE TOBACCO MIRRORING THE TOBACCO RESTRICTION IS ALSO LIKE PLACE OF INTEREST FOR CHILDREN, WHICH IS THE DISTINCTION THERE. IT'S NOT JUST THE SCHOOL 500FT VERSUS 1000FT. IT'S ALSO THE I'M FORGETTING THE EXACT TERM WITHIN THE WITHIN THE AGENDA PACKET. BUT IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE A PLACE OF INTEREST FOR FOR CHILDREN CITY. YEAH. I'LL CLARIFY. IT'S 500FT SEPARATION FROM PLAYGROUNDS, YOUTH CENTERS OR CITY OWNED OR CITY OPERATED RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, PARKS OR LIBRARIES AND 1000FT FROM A K THROUGH 12 SCHOOL. SO. RIGHT. AND I'M SO SORRY. CAN I ASK ONE SECOND WHEN WE FINISH? AND THEN WE GO I'M JUST GOING TO SAY YES, I READ THE EXACT SAME QUESTION OR COMMENT. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT PARTICULAR QUESTION, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DISTINCTION, BUT THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. YES, PLEASE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IN THIS PARTICULAR POINT THAT OPTION THREE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ATF, RIGHT? IT'S OUR STANDARDS THAT WE CREATED TO REGULATE TOBACCO RETAILERS. IT. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I THANK YOU. I HAVE A LOT OF SIMILAR QUESTIONS ALREADY ANSWERED. SO FOR THIS SCHOOL K TO 12, MY QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE WHY DON'T WE INCLUDE PRESCHOOLS? THOSE ARE YOUNGER KIDS NEED NEEDS MORE PROTECTIONS. YEAH. AND AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THE CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE CONTROL, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT HOW THE COMING AND GOINGS OF YOUNGER CHILDREN. RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT MORE CONTROL OVER PICK UPS, DROP OFFS AND OTHER OF THINGS WHERE COMMUNITIES MIGHT BE CONCERNED. RELATED TO THAT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY, AGAIN, K THROUGH 12 WAS WHAT WE LOOKED AT. SO DAYCARES, WE, WE, WE DID A KIND OF THINK ABOUT DAYCARES, BUT WE ALSO FELT THAT DAYCARES ARE PARENTS PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF USUALLY IN A VERY CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT MAKES SENSE. WE ARE WE ARE GOING TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MAYOR. AT THIS TIME I HAVE ONE SPEAKER SLIP ON THIS ITEM AND THAT IS HERE IN THE CHAMBER AND THAT'S MIKE [00:55:01] GRANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. JOHN. THAT WAS TRADERS IN SAN LEANDRO UNDER TECH SCARE AND HE GOT SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF FEDERAL VIOLATIONS. LONG TIME RESIDENT GUNS UNLIMITED 50 YEARS AS A FEDERAL DEALER. WE'RE ALL REGULATED UNDER THE ATF, DOJ, AS YOU ALL HEARD. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. GUN. WE'VE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH GUN DEALERS IN THIS TOWN. NONE. THIS GUN STORE THAT WE HAD IN TOWN, THOUGH, WAS A PROBLEM. AND IT HAD TO DO WITH THE ENVIRONMENTALS. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT TONIGHT FOR ME IS I WAS IN THAT PLACE. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN INSIDE THERE AND SEEN THE FOG BANK BACK IN 2015. WHEN THEY PUT IT IN, I WENT DOWN THERE AND I SEEN IT, AND YOU COULDN'T SEE THROUGH THE RANGE OUT INTO THE CUSTOMER'S AREA. IT WAS JUST FILLED WITH SMOKE. THAT'S NITRATES, GUNPOWDER. SO THEY WERE CONTAMINATING THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED IN THE PLACE AS WELL AS THE CUSTOMERS COMING IN THIS CITY, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE. PROBABLY NOW, THEY APPROVED THAT PERMIT FOR THAT OPERATION. IT WASN'T THE GUN CLUB. THEY JUST WENT RIGHT THROUGH AND THEY GOT RUBBER STAMPED TO BE IN THERE, PERIOD. I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYBODY SAYS. I'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THIS WITH THEM. THE GUYS ARE SHOWING UP WITH HIGH LEAD LEVELS. THEY WERE OUT OF THE RANGE. THEY HAD TO BE RELOCATED OUT THERE. SO WHAT THIS IS ABOUT TONIGHT IS, IS PUTTING AN ORDINANCE IN. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INDOOR RANGE IN THIS TOWN THAT THERE ARE THINGS IN THIS CITY NEEDS TO FOLLOW. THESE THINGS DON'T RELY ON CAL OSHA. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THERE FOR YOU. THEY'RE ALWAYS AFTER THE FACT. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL. AND I SPENT MY DAY OVER IN STOCKTON AT A HIGH GRADE GUN STORE OR GUN RANGE. AND I WENT THROUGH THEIR FILTRATION SYSTEMS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND I GOT A LOT OF PHOTOS OF IT. AND A COMPANY THAT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOPS. AND HE'LL COME DOWN HERE, THE GUY, AND THAT'S ACTION TARGET. THAT GUY WILL COME DOWN HERE AND WORK WITH THIS CITY AND THE STAFF TO ESTABLISH SOME TOP NOTCH REQUIREMENTS FOR AIR QUALITY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS AIR QUALITY WHEN YOU GO IN THERE. SO YOU DON'T END UP DYING FROM LEAD EXPOSURE. IT'S ALL COMPUTERIZED. YOU CAN GET REPORTS. YOU'LL FIND OUT. DON'T TRUST. I'VE ALWAYS SAID DON'T TRUST THE END USER. YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO VERIFY WHEN YOU GET A PERMIT. THEY HAVE COMPUTER READOUTS. THEY EVEN IN SALT LAKE CITY, THEY'LL SEND THE REPORT TELLING YOU IF THEY'VE HAD ANY FILTER PLUGGING. THEY'VE HAD ANY SENSOR PROBLEMS. IT'S ALL ELECTRONIC AS WE ARE IN THIS NEW WORLD. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT TO ME. I THINK THAT WE, WE, WE GOT OFF THE TRACK HERE OF WHAT IT ACTUALLY GUN STORES ARE NOT THE ISSUE HERE. NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A GUN STORE INSIDE THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S HERE OR THERE. HE'S GOING TO BE CONTROLLED. THE GUN RANGES ARE CONTROLLED BY CAL OSHA. WHY CAN'T WE BE THE ONES THAT SPEND OUR TIME SENDING OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE IN THERE AND ASKING FOR THESE PERMITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND THESE REPORTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE OFF THE COMPUTER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SO WE'LL BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS HERE ANY FURTHER. GO AHEAD. I ACTUALLY. MICHAEL. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT CAN THE CITY DO? I MEAN, TO THE SPEAKER'S POINT, THIS IS A COMPLEX PROBLEM. WE'RE FOCUSING ON MANY THINGS HERE TONIGHT, BUT I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN THE INDOOR GUN RANGE AND THE ENVIRONMENT. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT CAN THE CITY DO TO ENSURE THAT WHATEVER WE PERMIT FOR INDOOR FIRING RANGES IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT IT'S SAFE FROM IT FOR ENVIRONMENTAL PURPOSES? WHAT CONTROLS DO WE HAVE IN THAT? CAN CAN STAFF ANSWER THAT OR ANYBODY OVER THERE? WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT LEVERS CAN WE PULL? AND WHAT, WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING? CERTAINLY. I PICKED UP ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THE SPEAKER SAID. HE TALKED ABOUT VENTILATION SYSTEMS AND FILTRATION AND THE WHOLE BIT. WHAT CAN YOU DO FROM A PERMITTING STANDPOINT? SURE. DON HUTSON, CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL. OUR MUNICIPAL CODE HAS A SECTION THAT ALLOWS FOR ALTERNATIVE MEANS AND METHODS. AND BECAUSE THE CODE IS SILENT ON SPECIFICALLY FIRING RANGES INDOOR FIRING RANGES, WE CAN USE THAT SECTION OF ALTERNATIVE MEANS AND METHODS TO REQUIRE THEM TO COMPLY WITH ANY OSHA REGULATIONS. SO VENTILATION REQUIREMENTS OR CAN WE ADD OUR OWN STANDARDS TO THAT? OR ARE WE JUST POINTING TO OCEAN SAYING YOU'RE GOOD ENOUGH? I'M JUST BEING DIRECT WITH YOU. RIGHT. SO WE CAN'T CHANGE OUR BUILDING CODES UNLESS WE HAVE FINDINGS. [01:00:02] AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THOSE FINDINGS IN OUR SPECIFIC SITUATION HERE. BUT YOU COULD DO IT IN OTHER WAYS. WE COULDN'T CHANGE THE BUILDING CODE, BUT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW. CREATE AN ORDINANCE OR THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER REGULATION, BUT NOT A CHANGING OF THE BUILDING CODE. I THINK WE WOULD LOOK AT OSHA GUIDELINES. WE WOULD LOOK AT NRA GUIDELINES, BEST PRACTICES, AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WE THEN JUST POINT TO. THAT BECOMES PART OF THE PERMITTING AND LICENSING PROCEDURE, YOU KNOW, WHICH HAS TO BE DONE. LICENSING HAS GOT TO BE DONE ANNUALLY. COULD WE ALSO INSIST ON CERTAIN TYPES OF EQUIPMENT OR CERTAIN STANDARDS WITHIN THAT BASED ON, LIKE YOU SAID, LOOKING AT THE OSHA, LOOKING AT THE NRA OR LOOKING AT THESE DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND PULLING UP WHAT THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. I THINK THE ANSWER IS YES. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED TONIGHT, IF YOU WANT US TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, WE JUST NEED TO INVESTIGATE. WE NEED TO FLUSH ALL THAT OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT LEVEL OF CONTROL WE CAN EXERT HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. DON. THANK YOU FOR A GOOD ONE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE OUR SPEAKERS COMMENT. I THINK YOU CAN TELL FROM THE QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED EARLIER THAT I'M, I'M MORE INTERESTED IN PURSUING OPTION THREE THAN OPTION FOUR, BUT I DO HAVE A SUGGESTION, A SLIGHT TWEAK, THE OPTION THREE TO MIRROR OUR TOBACCO RETAIL STANDARD. OUR TOBACCO RETAIL STANDARD SAYS THAT TOBACCO RETAILERS MUST BE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER IN ADDITION TO SEPARATION FROM SENSITIVE LOCATIONS. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE I WOULD RECOMMEND OPTION THREE, BUT WITHOUT THAT PIECE OF IT SO THAT RETAILERS AND AND INDOOR RANGES BE SEPARATED 1000FT FROM SCHOOLS AND THEN 500FT FROM THE PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE SAME WAY THAT TOBACCO STANDARD IS, BUT NOT NECESSARILY FROM EACH OTHER. AND I THINK THERE'S A, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FIREARMS RETAILERS AND GUN RANGES AND TOBACCO RETAILERS. YOU COULD GET A LOT OF TOBACCO RETAILERS IN A SINGLE CITY. AND WE DON'T WANT A HUGE CONCENTRATION WHERE KIDS ARE GOING TO HOP FROM ONE TO ANOTHER TO ANOTHER AND SEE IF THIS GUY WOULDN'T SELL TO ME, BUT MAYBE THIS GUY WOULD. WHEREAS I DON'T THINK WITH INDOOR RANGES OR RETAIL DEALERSHIPS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A TON OF INTEREST. TO JOHN'S POINT EARLIER, HOW MANY INQUIRIES HAVE WE HAD? AND SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT STANDARD OF SEPARATING THEM FROM EACH OTHER. AND WITHOUT THAT PIECE I THINK THAT THAT GIVES OUR TOBACCO STANDARD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, TO KEEP CALLING IT THAT. IT MAKES IT MORE DEFENSIBLE. IF WE WERE TO BE SUED POST BRUIN ON YOU KNOW, THE, THE MEANINGFUL CONSTRAINT, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT FROM A LOGIC STANDPOINT MAKES US MEANINGFULLY CONSTRAINED BECAUSE IT STILL OVER 50% OF OUR RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL ARE AVAILABLE TO A DEALERSHIP OR AN INDOOR RANGE. AND EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL ZONE WITHIN DUBLIN IS STILL AVAILABLE. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT LIMITS OUR EXPOSURE TO BEING SUED UNDER THOSE LAWS AND MAKES MORE SENSE. LIKE, I DON'T REALLY CARE IF THERE'S TWO RANGES RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER. I DON'T THINK THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN THAT WANT TO SHOOT AT OUR RANGES, ETC.. BUT I AGREE THAT THE MORE THE THE OSHA PIECE IS IMPORTANT AND I ABSOLUTELY WOULD WANT US TO HAVE A A PROCESS FOR OSHA AND DTSC COMPLIANCE AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND THE ANNUAL BUSINESS LICENSE RENEWAL PROCESS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO CERTIFY THAT OSHA HAS COME OUT AGAIN AND, AND SEEN THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS WE CAN DO ON THAT, IT WOULD NEED TO BE AN ANNUAL THING, NOT A ONE AND DONE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH AIR FILTRATION AND ALL THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MY ADVOCACY THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WITH OPTION THREE, BUT WITHOUT THE SEPARATION FROM EACH OTHER AND WITH THE THE COMPLIANCE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, COMPLIANCE ON THE ANNUAL BASIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE HAVE FOR TODAY? RIGHT. WELL, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE WE'VE PUT INTO ONE ITEM. THE FIRST IS THE SEPARATION. AND THEN SECONDLY, IS THERE A PROCEDURE BY WHICH WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH ENVIRONMENTAL WE CAN PUT TOGETHER TODAY? OKAY. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? NO, I'M LARGELY IN AGREEMENT OR I'M IN AGREEMENT. YOU KNOW, AS A AS A RESIDENT, AS A PARENT, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. I THINK IT'S THE IT'S A MORE RESPONSIBLE THING TO DO. YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT TOO. ANYTHING ELSE? YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. STAFF, THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT. WHEN I SAW THIS COME UP ON THE AGENDA, I WAS I WAS JUST SO READY TO, LIKE, WAX POETICALLY ABOUT CONSTITUTIONAL FUNDAMENTALISM AND OUR SECOND AMENDMENT. BUT YOU COVERED IT BEAUTIFULLY. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE ONE CAN, DOESN'T MEAN ONE SHOULD. [01:05:06] SO LAST NIGHT, I ACTUALLY HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF TALKING TO SEVERAL RESIDENTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC. THE OPINIONS TEND TO GRAVITATE BETWEEN NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR. I CAN SEE WHERE THE PERSUASIVE ARGUMENT MADE BY THE VICE MAYOR FOR THREE DOES MAKE REASONABLE AND RATIONAL SENSE TO ME. SO I'M I'M GOING TO, I THINK I'M GOING TO STICK WITH OPTION THREE IN TERMS OF FURTHER RESEARCH AND FURTHER INVESTIGATION INTO THIS, PLEASE, WHEN YOU COME BACK. I'D LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE HEAVILY WEIGHTED OPINION TOWARDS OPTION THREE, BUT LET'S NOT NEGATE NUMBER FOUR, GIVEN THAT THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT THE 67 VERSUS 83% REMAINING AND HOW THAT COULD BE CHALLENGED. SO THAT IS, THAT IS SORT OF GENERALLY MY, MY DIRECTION TO STAFF. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. YOU KNOW I'D ALSO GO WITH THREE. I'M BASICALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID. AS LONG AS WE HAVE A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, WHAT WE CAN DO, AND THE COMPLIANCE ASPECT, I'M NOT SURE IF WAITING AROUND FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN WITH OSHA IS NECESSARILY THE ANSWER. AND I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED IT APPROPRIATELY BY BEING PROACTIVE IN MANDATING THAT WE GO ALONG WITH A REPORTING PROCESS. AND I'D LIKE TO REALLY SEE DIG IN A LITTLE BIT DEEPER TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE CODE. I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE EXPERTS AND YOU CAN FIGURE A LOT OF INTERESTING THINGS OUT. YEAH. I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'M GOOD WITH, WITH THAT. THANK YOU. SO THIS IS FOR DIRECTION, RIGHT. SO I THINK I'M ALSO AGREE WITH THIS OPTION THREE. BUT ALSO CONSIDER OPTION FOUR IN YOUR RESEARCH STUDY PURPOSE. SO IT'S CLEAR, RIGHT? SO IT'S CLEAR. OH. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE RESEARCH IS HERE. WE REALLY NEED DIRECTION ON AN OPTION THAT WE THEN ARE GOING TO TAKE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO I'LL SAY OPTION THREE IS THE ONE. YEAH. AND IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT COME UP AT PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER. YEAH. SEPARATION. WE'LL ADDRESS IT THEN. OKAY. SOUNDS GREAT. THANK YOU. WE DON'T NEED A VOTE. IT'S JUST THE GUIDANCE. RIGHT. SO WE DON'T NEED A VOTE. LET'S MOVE ON. SO MOVING ON TO 8.2. OH SORRY. NOT 8.2. IT'S 7.2. SECOND SECOND REVIEW OF DRAFT CODE OF ETHICS AND [7.2 Second Review of Draft Code of Ethics and Conduct for Elected and Appointed Officials] CONDUCT FOR ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. SINCE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE SEEN THIS, I DIDN'T PREPARE A POWERPOINT. THERE WERE WE HEARD THIS ITEM AT THE LAST MEETING, AND THERE WERE FOUR THINGS THAT YOU ASKED THAT WE GO BACK AND INCORPORATE IN THE POLICY. SO I'LL JUST TOUCH ON THOSE BRIEFLY. THE FIRST ONE WAS TO INCORPORATE ALL RELEVANT POLICIES INTO THE MODEL OF EXCELLENCE THAT REQUIRES SIGNATURES. SO WE'VE DONE THAT. WE NOW HAVE A MODEL OF EXCELLENCE FOR A SEPARATE ONE FOR COUNCIL AND A SEPARATE ONE FOR COMMISSIONERS AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND THOSE DOCUMENTS REQUIRE SIGNATURE AND AFFIRMING THAT YOU'VE READ AND UNDERSTOOD THE CODE OF ETHICS AND ALSO THE OTHER POLICIES THAT APPLY TO YOU IN YOUR CASE, THAT'S THE RULES OF CONDUCT OF MEETINGS, THE COUNCIL NORMS AND THE PERSONAL DEVICES POLICY. SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING. THE SECOND THING YOU ASKED WAS FOR US TO LOOK AT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD GOVERN COUNCIL MEMBER ATTENDANCE AT MEETINGS. SO WE LOOKED AT IT, AND AS YOU KNOW, STATE LAW ALREADY GOVERNS THIS TOPIC. IF A COUNCIL MEMBER IS MEMBERS ABSENT WITHOUT PERMISSION FOR 60 CONSECUTIVE DAYS. THAT'S A FORFEITURE OF OFFICE. MOST CALIFORNIA CITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, AND THE ONES THAT I LOOKED AT FOR SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR CODES, THEY DON'T HAVE SUCH A STANDARD IN THEIR, IN THEIR CODE OF ETHICS. YOU KNOW, STAFF'S APPROACH HERE WAS NOT TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS. IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A PROCESS. WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A LIST OF VALID EXCUSES. THERE'S SOME ADMINISTRATION THERE STAFF TIME INVOLVED WITH THAT. INSTEAD, THE APPROACH WE'VE TAKEN IS JUST THAT WE'VE ADDED A COMMITMENT TO ATTENDANCE AS A PRINCIPLE IN THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES SECTION. SO YOU SAW THAT IN THE RED LINE VERSION OF THE DOCUMENT. THE THIRD THING WAS TO CLARIFY CROSS ATTENDANCE GUIDELINES FOR OFFICIALS ATTENDING MEETINGS OF OTHER BODIES. WE'VE DONE THAT IN SECTION FIVE, CONDUCT CONDUCT BETWEEN CITY COUNCIL AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS SPECIFICALLY ADDING THE LANGUAGE THAT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD NOT INFLUENCE COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND ARE DISCOURAGED FROM ATTENDING COMMISSION AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS. [01:10:04] AND THEN LASTLY, YOU ASKED FOR A PROCEDURE FOR ESCALATING CODE VIOLATIONS. SO WE HAVE A WE HAVE TEN STEPS THAT TAKE YOU FROM RAISING A CONCERN TO MAKING A FORMAL COMPLAINT. IT PROVIDES A PERIOD OF REVIEW. IT PROVIDES FOR AN INVESTIGATION, A HEARING FINDINGS AND DETERMINATION. AND THEN IT PROVIDES SOME EXAMPLES OF AVAILABLE SANCTIONS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INFORMAL COUNSELING ALL THE WAY UP TO FORMAL CENSURE AND RESTRICTING TRAVEL, ETC.. OF COURSE, THERE ARE PUBLIC MEETING REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY SORT OF DECISION WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN IN A PUBLIC FORUM AND A REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY CLERK KEEP RECORDS. SO THOSE ARE THE FOUR THINGS. THREE MADE IT INTO YOUR CODE. ONE, AS I SAID, WE SORT OF LEFT WE, WE, WE LIGHTLY TOUCHED ON IT IN THE CODE, AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU NOW. MAYOR TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. BEFORE YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO WE FIRST STILL BRING TO THE COUNCIL FOR QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. GOOD. I HAD ONE QUESTION, AND THAT IS THE COMMITTEE AND COMMISSION MEMBERS. DO THEY HAVE THEY ARE NOT BOUND BY THE PERSONAL DEVICES POLICY THAT WE CREATED. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. THE ONLY DOCUMENT I'M MARSHA WOULD YELL AT ME IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING WRONG. THE ONLY DOCUMENT THAT GOVERNS COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES ARE THEIR BYLAWS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT HAS ANY MESSAGING. NO, IT DOES NOT. OKAY. AND SO WHEN WE SPLIT OUT THE I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE NAME. I'M NOT ON THAT PAGE. THE DOCUMENT THAT WILL SIGN THERE'S ONE FOR COUNCIL NOW AND ONE FOR COMMITTEES AND COMMISSIONS, LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE INCORPORATION OF THAT POLICY FOR COUNCIL. CORRECT, BUT NOT FOR COMMITTEE AND COMMISSIONS AND ALSO FOR THE NORMS. CORRECT. BECAUSE THOSE DON'T EXIST FOR THOSE BODIES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? NO. NO QUESTIONS. PERFECT. ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM. OKAY, GREAT. I'LL BRING IT BACK. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS YOU WANT TO MAKE? I HAD WELL, FIRST, THANK YOU. THE THE UPDATES ARE GREAT. THE PROCEDURE FOR IS VERY CLEAR THAT IF SOMEBODY HAS AN ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, WHO DO YOU REPORT TO AND AT WHAT TIME AND WHAT IS DONE AND, AND ALL OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S SUPER CLEAR. AND THAT'S THE SECTION THAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THERE IS A THERE IS A SMALL ERROR I BELIEVE ON, I'M LOOKING AT THE RED LINE VERSION. SO FOR ANYBODY FOLLOWING ALONG, I'M ON PAGE 67 OF THE PACKET UNDER NUMBER TWO RAISING A CONCERN, IT SAID THE CITY MANAGER'S OWN REPORTING PATH. I'M TO SEE I BELIEVE THAT SHOULD SAY SHOULD FOLLOW SECTION THREE C, NOT SECTION THREE D IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'LL WE'LL FIX THAT IN THE THE NEXT TIME THIS COMES TO US. AND THEN UNDER THAT ON THAT SAME PAGE ON NUMBER FIVE B, I'D LOVE CONSENSUS FROM THE COUNCIL THAT WHERE IT SAYS THE INVESTIGATION SHALL BE COMPLETED WITHIN 90 DAYS. I'D LIKE TO, INSTEAD OF SAY WITHIN 90 DAYS, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT NO LATER THAN 90 DAYS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF, FOR EXAMPLE, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE IS FORMED AND, YOU KNOW, THIS DOESN'T GET DRAGGED OUT BEYOND YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S BEEN ACCUSED OF SOMETHING, WE WANT TO, WE WANT THE MATTER TO GET RESOLVED QUICKLY AND NOT HAVE IT GET DRAGGED OUT. SO JUST, THERE'S NO REAL TEETH BEHIND THAT. BUT JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WE WANT IT TO BE DONE QUICKLY. SO I WOULD JUST CHANGE WITHIN TO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT NO LATER THAN AND THEN I, I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVENTUALLY, NOT AS PART OF THIS, BUT TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT POTENTIALLY POTENTIALLY UPDATING THE BYLAWS FOR COMMITTEE AND COMMISSIONS TO ADD THE LANGUAGE ABOUT PERSONAL DEVICES AND TEXTING FROM WITHIN DURING THE HOURS OF COMMITTEE AND COMMISSION MEETINGS. THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY MORE. SO COMMENT IS I APPRECIATE STAFF PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. AND I THINK THE, THE WAY YOU'VE FORMULATED A RESPONSE AROUND THE FOUR ASKS FROM LAST FROM OUR LAST MEETING IS, IS GREAT. CHECKS OFF A LOT OF BOXES IN, IN MY MIND AT LEAST. THE ONLY ADDITIONAL THING I WANTED TO DELIBERATE ON THIS WAS RESPECTING THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL. I KNOW IT'S PART OF OUR NORMS, BUT SPECIFICALLY AROUND PRESENT OR PAST DECISIONS, DECISIONS, JUST RESPECTING THE PROCESS AND RESPECTING THE COUNCILS AT THAT TIME. WANTED TO GET BUY IN FROM THAT OR, OR KIND OF HEAR IF THERE IS BUY IN ON THAT. [01:15:03] I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO SOLVE FOR IS, IS DISPARAGING COMMENTS ABOUT EITHER CURRENT OR PRIOR DECISIONS PARTICULARLY ON ONLINE FORUM FORUMS WHERE BECAUSE OF THE BROWN ACT, WE CAN'T RESPOND. AND SO IT KIND OF PUTS US IN A, IN A, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN AN AWKWARD POSITION BEING, BEING ELECTEDS WHERE WE CAN'T RESPOND. OBVIOUSLY EVERYONE HAS THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT. THEY COULD SPEAK WHAT THEY WANT, BUT THEN AS AN ELECTED, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY RESPOND BACK OR CLARIFY A SITUATION, WHATEVER. AND JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF STAFF HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT OR LOOKED INTO THAT OR IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS. DID YOU HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER? DID YOU HAVE A PLACE IN THE POLICY WHERE YOU THINK IT BELONGS BEST? BECAUSE. IT'S FOR ME, IT'S EITHER ONE GUIDING PRINCIPLES OR PERHAPS CONDUCT WITH EACH OTHER. WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, I'M. I'M NOT, I'M NOT PARTICULAR ABOUT WHERE IT GOES. I WAS INITIALLY THINKING ABOUT IT WITHIN GUIDING PRINCIPLES, SECTION ONE UNDER EITHER C OR D, WHICH IS CONDUCT OF OFFICIALS OR RESPECT FOR PROCESS. DO YOU MIND IF I JUMP IN? SURE. WE WE HAVE THAT KIND OF IN OUR COINS. OH, I'M SO SORRY. DO YOU MIND IF I JUMP IN ON THIS POINT? WE HAVE YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ORDER HERE. YES, THE WE HAVE THIS IN OUR NORMS KIND OF ABOUT RESPECTING THE DECISION, BUT I DON'T THINK IT GETS TO THE POINT YOU'RE MAKING ABOUT I MEAN, WE WE HAVE IT IN RESPECTING OUR OWN DECISION, THE FIVE OF US. BUT IF I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT EVEN DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE TEN YEARS AGO, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY, YOU DON'T FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR SITTING COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BE DISPARAGING PRIOR COUNCILS. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT? AND YOU WANT THAT RIGHT IN SOME WAY? I THINK THE CURRENT PART IS SOMEWHAT ADDRESSED WITHIN THE CURRENT NORMS. RIGHT? IT, IT, I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IF IT ADDRESSES IT FULLY IN TERMS OF LIKE NON-DISPARAGEMENT. I WAS ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRIOR DECISIONS AND JUST BEING RESPECTFUL OF PRIOR COUNCILS. OKAY. I FEEL THE, THE IS ONE C RIGHT. THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, RIGHT? I THINK WE USED, I THINK LAST VERSION, WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE LIKE THAT. NO, NO WE DON'T. OKAY. WE CAN ADD A SENTENCE THERE. WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT SENTENCE IS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT WOULD IT BE? WELL IN MY MIND, IT WAS SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT OF RESPECTING THE DECISIONS OF COUNCILS OF, OF COUNCIL, BOTH PAST AND PRESENT, RESPECT AND RESPECT. IT'S A GOOD, GOOD WAY TO SAY. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO ASSERT THAT WE MUST AGREE WITH THE DECISION. JUST DON'T DON'T TRASH IT. YEAH. RESPECT I THINK BE DISPARAGING. EXACTLY. YEAH, YEAH. RESPECT. SO MAYOR. SO WHERE WHERE IS HE? WHERE ARE YOU? WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR WHAT? WITHIN THE DOCUMENT. ARE YOU? COMPLETE THE SENTENCE? YEAH, LIKE I PUT IT. SO IT WOULD IT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE AN ADD ON TO EITHER ONE ONE C OR ONE D, WHICH IS I DON'T WANT TO WORDSMITH IT LIVE, BUT. 1C1C IS A GOOD PLACE. I THINK THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I THINK YOU STARTED THE SENTENCE. SO I THINK I KNOW IF THERE'S A MAJORITY APPROVAL, I CAN. I THINK IT BELONGS. WELL, IT'S EITHER ONE REALLY. I'LL THINK ABOUT IT FOR CLARIFICATION. WHEN YOU SAID ONE THAT'S IN PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO I JUST TAKE THAT AS WITHIN. NO, THAT'S IN THE SECTION ONE GUIDING PRINCIPLES. GUIDING PRINCIPLES. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH I AGREE. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION AND AND PASS THIS ACTION. RIGHT. ARE WE READY TO MAKE A MOTION NOW? SO MAYOR, I, I'LL ASK FOR YOU TO MAKE A MOTION INCLUDE THE CHANGES THAT YOU WANT. WE'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF THEM. AND THEN ASK THAT IT COME BACK ON CONSENT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US WITH THE CHANGE TO GUIDING PRINCIPLES ONE [01:20:09] C TO ADD A SENTENCE ABOUT NON-DISPARAGEMENT OF CURRENT AND PAST PRACTICES AND THE CORRECTION TO THE PROCESS TO TWO C AND THE CORRECTION OF FIVE B TO CHANGE WITHIN 90 DAYS TO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, BUT NOT LATER THAN 90 DAYS AND TO BRING IT BACK ON CONSENT. IN ADDITION, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR AN ITEM TO COME TO US ON BYLAWS FOR THE COMMITTEE AND COMMISSIONS AT SOME FUTURE DATE THAT IS NOT YET DETERMINED AS STAFF SEES FIT. SECOND MAYOR. I'M SO SORRY. CAN I CLARIFY THOUGH? OKAY. PLEASE. THE LANGUAGE WON'T IT'S NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NON. IT'S NOT GOING TO USE THE WORD DISPARAGE. IT'S GOING TO USE THE PRO RESPECT. RESPECT. PERFECT. PERFECT. IS THAT YOUR. THAT'S FINE. YEAH. SO IS THAT YOUR AMENDMENT. THE AMENDMENT WAS ALSO THAT IT WOULD COME BACK AS CONSENT. DID YOU DID YOU SAY. SORRY I MISSED THAT. SORRY. YEAH. I WILL SECOND THE MOTION. SECOND. LET'S HAVE A ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER MAROTTA. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. VICE MAYOR. JOSE. AYE. MAYOR. WHO? YES. MOTION PASSES. UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO 8.1 DESIGNATION OF VOTING DELEGATES FOR THE [8.1 Designation of Voting Delegates for the 2026 National League of Cities City Summit ] 2026 NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES CITY SUMMIT. WHO'S GOING? DO YOU KNOW? I'M GOING TO. YOU ARE NOT GOING. DO YOU KNOW NICE. WELL, IT'S NASHVILLE IN NOVEMBER. IF I'M HERE, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THIS TO ME AGAIN, AREN'T YOU? YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA KNOW I MEANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. OKAY. OKAY. SO TWO OF THEM OUT OF TWO OF YOU. SO WE NEED ONE VOTING MEMBER, ONE BACKUP. RIGHT? WE CAN HAVE UP TO TWO BACKUPS, RIGHT? CORRECT. ONE. ONE DELEGATE AND UP TO TWO ALTERNATES. ONE DELEGATE. SO WHO WANTS TO BE THE DELEGATE? YOU WANT TO BE THE DELEGATE? OKAY. I'LL MOVE THAT. MIKE IS THE DELEGATE. OKAY. SO WE WANT TO APPOINT MIKE AS A DELEGATE AND JIM AS THE BACKUP, I WOULD MOVE. THAT CAUTION IS THE BACKUP, AND I AM THE SECOND BACKUP. OH, OKAY. THAT'S EVEN MORE CLARIFICATION. OKAY, SO WE'LL WE'LL TAKE ACTION ON THIS. IT'S CLEAR. RIGHT? MOTION IS CLEAR. WE WILL HAVE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. AND ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YES. YES. YES. HI. DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ACTION? THAT'S. THAT'S THE ACTION ITEM 8.2. I JUST HAVE TO OPEN YOUR [8.2 Report on the Cost-of-Living Adjustment Methodology for City Employee Compensation] PRESENTS. AND THEN I'LL SHARE IT. I APOLOGIZE, IT'S TECHNICALLY CHALLENGED. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. SARAH MANASSAS, HR DIRECTOR. I'M HERE TODAY AS A REQUEST FROM AN ITEM NINE FROM AUGUST 18TH. I'M BRINGING BACK OUR JUST A A REPORT ON OUR COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT METHODOLOGIES. AS I MENTIONED, THIS REQUEST CAME FROM A MEETING ON AUGUST 18TH. AND WHAT I WANT TO DO HERE IS JUST KIND OF GO OVER OUR EMPLOYEE PROCESS, HOW WE KIND OF COME TO THESE NUMBERS, THE COLA FORMULA. AND THEN ALSO IN THAT MEETING, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT CONTRACT ESCALATORS AND THEN SOME COMPARATOR AGENCIES, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S ALWAYS JUST GOOD PRACTICE TO KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE AROUND US ARE DOING. SO DUBLIN'S EMPLOYEE PROCESS, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE HEARING ABOUT THIS A LOT MORE IN THE NEXT KIND OF YEAR. THIS HAPPENS EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS AND IT'S REALLY A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN CITY MANAGEMENT STAFF AND COUNCIL TO DEVELOP OUR BENEFIT AND SALARY PACKAGES FOR A 3 TO 5 YEAR PERIOD. IT VARIES IN DIFFERENT TIMES. WE'VE GONE IN 2014, 2019, WE HAD 1 IN 2023, AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER ONE HERE IN 2027. AS I MENTIONED, EMPLOYEE FEEDBACK IS A REALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENT HERE IN THIS PROCESS. SO WE TAKE WE DO SURVEYS FOR EMPLOYEES. WE MEET WITH THEM. [01:25:01] WE DO A LOT OF MARKET DATA. SO WE SEE WHAT ARE OTHER AGENCIES DOING. WE WANT TO STAY CURRENT IN THE MARKET. WE ALSO WANT TO STAY COMPETITIVE. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW KIND OF WHERE WE FALL IN THAT SPECTRUM. AND STAFF GOES THROUGH ALL OF THOSE THINGS, INCLUDING FISCAL FACTORS, RIGHT. SO AS MUCH AS, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO GIVE EVERYONE THE WORLD TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT AS WELL. SO THAT BECOMES PART OF THE CONVERSATION AND THEN OUR ORGANIZATIONAL NEEDS, RIGHT. AND THEN FROM THERE ONCE WE FINALLY KIND OF LAND ON A PACKAGE, THEN WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL. YOU GUYS FORMALLY ADOPT IT, AND THAT BECOMES KIND OF OUR GOVERNING DOCUMENT FOR THAT 3 TO 5 YEAR PERIOD. INCLUDED IN THAT, WHAT WE DO IS GENERALLY WE START WITH A EMPLOYEE SURVEY OF THE SALARIES, AND WE LOOK AT THE COMPETITORS FOR ALL OF OUR JOB CLASSIFICATIONS. THEN WITHIN THE, THE, THE YEAR. SO LIKE YEARS TWO, THREE AND FOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT WE DO IS WE DO A COLA INCREASE AND THIS METHODOLOGY CHANGE. I THINK BACK IN 2012, PRIOR TO THAT, THEY WERE DOING SURVEYS EVERY YEAR. BUT AS THE CITY GREW, OUR CLASSIFICATIONS GREW. WHAT I THINK HAPPENED BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE IS THAT IT JUST BECAME A LITTLE LABOR INTENSIVE. SO IT'S PRETTY COMMON IN MOST AGENCIES THAT YOU KIND OF HAVE A RESET POINT, AND THEN YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT KIND OF MOVES YOU ALONG FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND AT THE END OF THAT PERIOD, YOU DO A RESET AND WE USE THE COLA FOR THAT. BACK IN 2012, THEY CHOSE THE C, CPIW, THAT'S ACTUALLY THE OLDEST CPI. THERE IS. IT WAS ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED IN 1913. I THOUGHT THAT WAS QUITE INTERESTING. AND THEN IN 1978 CPU WAS ADDED AND IT'S A BROADER INDEX, THE CPU. ACTUALLY I FOUND THIS QUITE INTERESTING, ONLY REPRESENTS ABOUT 28% OF OUR POPULATION, AND THE CPU IS BROADER. IT REPRESENTS ABOUT 90% OF OUR POPULATION. THEY ACTUALLY USE THE SAME BASE FOR THE DATA. IT'S JUST IT'S WEIGHED DIFFERENTLY BASED ON THE PEOPLE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND THE CPU IS ACTUALLY THE OFFICIAL MEASURE FOR THE REGION. SO YOU'RE PROBABLY THINKING, WELL, WHY ARE WE USING CPIW THEN? WELL, IT HASN'T BEEN BROKE, SO NO ONE'S ASKED TO FIX IT QUITE FRANKLY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE COMPARISON OVER THE YEARS, YOU'LL SEE CPU AND CPU. WHILE IN MONTHS THEY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT OVER TIME, THEY'RE REALLY KIND OF WITHIN A STONE'S THROW OF ONE ANOTHER. THIS YEAR, UNFORTUNATELY, WAS THE FIRST TIME IN QUITE SOME TIME WE SAW QUITE A BIG DIFFERENCE. THIS. OH, ALSO IN ARCOLA'S, WE DO DO A FLOOR OF 1% AND A CEILING OF 3.5% TO, YOU KNOW, IT HELPS US WITH BUDGETING AND MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ANY SORT OF SPIKES THAT IT FROM A BUDGET PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CAN ACCOUNT FOR THOSE A LITTLE BETTER. IN THIS ONE FOR FEBRUARY IS THE MONTH THAT'S PICKED. IT'S AGAIN, BEEN HISTORICAL SINCE 2012. COLA CAME IN AT 1.7 AND FEBRUARY. I'M NOT EXACTLY QUITE SURE WHY THEY PICKED THAT. WHAT I SUSPECT IS, HAS TO DO WITH JUST TIMING OF GETTING THE BUDGET READY ON TIME. THIS AGENCY I'VE WORKED FOR A NUMBER OF AGENCIES, DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB ON GETTING THE BUDGETS DONE ON TIME AND ACTUALLY EARLY, WHERE OTHER AGENCIES I WORKED AT WERE LITERALLY SCRAMBLING AT THE LAST MINUTE. SO I SUSPECT FEBRUARY WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE IT GIVES US A LOT OF TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE CALCULATIONS CAN BE QUITE EXTENSIVE AS IT ROLLS THROUGH ALL THE POSITIONS. SO, SO BRINGING IT TO KIND OF, I THINK WHY WE'RE HERE IS THAT, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS LOOKING AT THE CPI IS EVERY TWO MONTHS. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT DECEMBER 25TH CAME IN AT 3.1, FEBRUARY WAS AT 1.7. AND APRIL AND JUNE CAME IN THE THREES. SO REALLY THIS 1.7 REALLY KIND OF SEEMS LIKE AN OUTLIER IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS. WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THIS HAPPEN BEFORE. SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SOMETHING TO HIGHLIGHT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT. AS WE TALK ABOUT LIKE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE, JUST SO, YOU KNOW, ONE PERCENTAGE POINT OF A COLA IS APPROXIMATELY $184,000 IN SALARY AND SALARY RELATED BENEFITS. JUST SO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THESE DOLLAR FIGURES AND WHAT THESE PERCENTAGES MEAN. ALSO IN ITEM NINE, WE TALKED ABOUT ANNUAL CONTRACT ESCALATORS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS INTERESTING. MANY OF THE CITY'S MULTI-YEAR CONTRACTS INCLUDE THESE BUILT IN ANNUAL ESCALATORS, PROBABLY FOR VERY SIMILAR REASONS. RIGHT? MOST ARE TIED TO CPI WITH A MAX OF THREE. HOWEVER, THESE ARE NOT AS SPECIFIC AS WE HAVE IN OUR BENEFITS RESOLUTION. SO THE CPI MONTH CAN VARY BY CONTRACT, OFTEN DECEMBER OR THE MONTH KIND OF CLOSEST TO THE CONTRACT START DATE. THERE'S A CAP A 3% SIMILAR TO WE HAVE A CAP ON THE EMPLOYEES COLA. BUT IF YOU LOOK LIKE HISTORICALLY OVER ALL OF THE LAST FEW YEARS, YOU ALWAYS HAVE A MONTH THAT'S ABOVE THREE. AND SO THREE HAS BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENTLY WHAT'S THEY'VE RECEIVED MULTI-YEAR CONTRACTS ARE REBID AND NEW RATES ARE SET UPON EXPIRATION. [01:30:03] THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE START OUR PROCESS AND WE LOOK OUT TO MARKET AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW THAT OUR COMPARABLES ARE ACCURATE AND THAT WE'RE PAYING WITHIN MARKET. SO WE DO THE SAME ON THOSE CONTRACTS. THERE IS AN EXCEPTION THOUGH. SO TIME AND MATERIALS AGREEMENTS FOR IN-DEMAND POSITIONS. SO HIGH LEVEL ENGINEERING FOR EXAMPLE. THOSE ARE PRICED TO MARKET AND THEY CAN RISE FASTER THAN THE CPI. SO THAT'S ONE KIND OF EXCEPTION THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THOSE SORT OF CONTRACTS. LASTLY AGAIN I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT OTHER AGENCIES DO FOR 2026. OKAY. IN OUR LAST CYCLE, WE IDENTIFIED THESE AGENCIES AS OUR COMPARATORS FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS. AND MOST OF THESE INCREASES ARE JULY 1ST. AND YOU'LL SEE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THEM ARE THREE EXCEPT FOR WE HAVE 13.514 AND ONE FIVE. I WILL ASK DEREK AND MILPITAS IS THAT'S ACTUALLY JUST A PLACEHOLDER IN THEIR BUDGET. THEY'RE STILL IN CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. SO THAT ISN'T A FIRM NUMBER YET. BUT I DID WANT TO BE ABLE TO REPORT SOMETHING. ALL OF THESE AGENCIES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ALAMEDA, WHO'S NOT ON HERE BECAUSE THEIR CPI IS STILL T TWO TO BE DETERMINED. THEY ACTUALLY EVERYONE THESE ARE JUST FLAT RATES. SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS, THE AGENCIES AND THE UNIONS WILL DETERMINE WHAT THESE PERCENTAGES ARE. I WILL TELL YOU, AS BEEN WORKING FOR PLENTY OF AGENCIES THAT HAVE DONE NEGOTIATIONS LIKE THIS BEFORE. GENERALLY, THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS AROUND CPI, BUT THEY DON'T TIE IT TO IT. THEY LAND ON A FLAT AMOUNT. THE ONE EXCEPTION IS ALAMEDA, AND THEY USE A BASE REVENUE INDEX FOR THEIR ADJUSTMENTS. AND SOUNDS LIKE QUITE A COMPLICATED PROCESS. THEY ACTUALLY TAKE FOUR OF THEIR REVENUE SOURCES AND THEY ADD THEM. AND IT'S THIS WHOLE THING. AND THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN UNTIL SEPTEMBER, AND THEN IT WILL RETRO BACK TO JULY. I ALSO LOOKED AT BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF LIKE, GOSH, DOES NO ONE ELSE USE CPI? ARE WE THE ONLY ONES LEFT? BECAUSE I USED TO WORK FOR BOTH WALNUT CREEK AND SAN RAMON, AND WHEN I WAS THERE WE USED CPI, AND IN THE TIME I'VE LEFT, THEY'VE ACTUALLY MOVED TO THIS FLAT RATE. SO I LOOKED AT OTHER AGENCIES BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR ONE. I LOOKED AT BERKELEY, SAN MATEO, SONOMA COUNTY, FREMONT, SOUTH, SAN FRANCISCO, CONCORD, SANTA ROSA AND CONTRA COSTA COUNTY, AND NONE OF THOSE ARE CURRENTLY USING CPI. SO I DIDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, A WAY TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE ELSE IS USING CPI YOU AND THEY'RE USING THIS MONTH AS A COMPARISON. I COULDN'T FIND ONE IN THE MARKET. SO THAT IS THE RESEARCH I DID FOR THAT REQUEST. AND I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS I MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. THANK YOU SARAH. SO SO THIS IS INFORMATIONAL ITEM FOR FOR TODAY, RIGHT? CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL JUST ASK A QUESTION FIRST. YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. ANYBODY HAS A QUESTION TO ASK. YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD. YES. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. ACTUALLY THE THANK YOU, SARAH, FOR THIS, BUT I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR CITY MANAGER. OKAY. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS? IF THIS WERE TO PROCEED FORWARD, AND WHERE WOULD IT COME FROM? SO SALARIES AM I ON? NO. NO SALARIES AND BENEFITS ARE PAID BY THE GENERAL FUND. WHEN WE DO OUR TEN YEAR FORECAST, WE STAY IN THE ROOM. DO WE USE 3 OR 3.5 J IN OUR TEN YEAR FORECAST? OH, THERE HE IS. YOU DON'T NEED TO COME DOWN. SO IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OUR MOST RECENT EMPLOYEE PROCESS YIELDED A CEILING OF 3.5, WE WOULD USE 3.5 WHEN WE BUDGET. AND I THINK IN THE OUT YEARS, I SUSPECT WE USE THREE. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? NO. WELL, ACTUALLY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE. YEAH, IT'S INFORMATIONAL ONLY. BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP? I GUESS THAT'S OKAY. SO SHOULD THE CITY MANAGER TO ANSWER. LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP TODAY? IS THE INFORMATION RIGHT? WELL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR STAFF ARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE IN A NEW EMPLOYEE PROCESS. SO THAT WILL START HERE PRETTY SOON. SO THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST OF 27. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS, YOU KNOW, CPI AND OTHER BENEFITS. THIS IS INFORMATIONAL ONLY IF, IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO DELVE INTO DETAILS OR CHANGE ANYTHING. MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IN A, IN A CLOSED SESSION ENVIRONMENT, SINCE THIS IS JUST RECEIVING OUR REPORT AND OUR RESEARCH. YEAH. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. FIRST QUESTIONS I HAVE QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS CPI AND ALSO THE NUMBERS. YOU HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH OF OTHER AGENTS LIKE 3% ABOUT 3%. THOSE ARE CPI ONLY. IT'S NOT INCLUDING THE LIKE A MERIT BASED INCREASE. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHAT THAT'S INCLUDING IS PRETTY MUCH HOW THE RANGES PROGRESS, RIGHT. [01:35:05] THE PEOPLE WILL MOVE WITH THE RANGE AS WELL. BUT HOW THOSE RANGES ARE. SO THE MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM FOR THOSE POSITIONS, HOW THEY INCREASE, RIGHT. SO IT'S A IT'S AN APPLE TO APPLE COMPARISON TO OTHER AGENTS AS WELL. DO THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL MERIT INCREASE, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF OR TOGETHER WITH 3% OF THEIR CPI? YES. SO A COUPLE OF THE AGENCIES I'M AWARE I'M FAMILIAR WITH, AGAIN, BECAUSE I WORKED THERE BEFORE, THEY HAVE BANDS LIKE WE DO AND THEN OTHER AGENCIES HAVE STEPS. SO IF YOU'RE IN A STEP SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE, ON JULY 1ST, LET'S SAY I'M IN STEP THREE AND ON JULY 1ST, MY THERE'S A 3% COLA. I WILL GO UP 3% BECAUSE MY STEP STEP THREE GOES UP. BUT THEN ON MY ANNIVERSARY AND LET'S SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IN SEPTEMBER 15TH, I WILL THEN GO TO STEP FOUR. AND THEN SO WE IT'S VERY SIMILAR. IT'S JUST A STEP VERSUS KIND OF A MERIT, LIKE A BANDED SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE. I SEE. SO WHEN, WHEN J SET UP THE, LIKE THE, THE BUDGET TEN YEAR FORECAST, DOES HE ALREADY CONSIDER THE MERIT BASED INCREASE AS WELL. YES. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING. SO ONE MORE THING ABOUT THAT CPI. TWO DIFFERENT INDEXES. THIS IS OUT THIS YEAR. BUT IN THE PAST THEY YOU SEE THEM ARE PRETTY EVEN ACROSS DIFFERENT MONTHS. RIGHT. YES. YOU CAN SEE BETWEEN LIKE I DID A COMPARISON, THERE'S A 0.2 TO 0.3. SOMETIMES THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE. I WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIND SOME SORT OF PATTERN TO IT AND I, AND I COULDN'T. I SEE. SO, BUT IF YOU KIND OF AVERAGE THEM OUT BETWEEN THE CPI, W AND CPU, THEY END UP BEING THE SAME. IT'S JUST WHAT POINTS IN TIME ARE HIGHER THIS TIME LAST YEAR, FEBRUARY LAST YEAR THEY WERE IDENTICAL. AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE 1.7 FOR CPI W AND 2.5 FOR CPU. OKAY. SO BECAUSE JUST USING MY MATH, I FEEL EVERY MONTH CAN BE DIFFERENT AND THIS CAN BE AN ODD YEAR. BUT IF THIS YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE, FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, IT'S A MUCH LOWER THAN THE REST OF THE MONTH AND NEXT YEAR IT WILL CATCH UP. THAT'S JUST MY MATH. LIKE THEY WILL GO TO THE AVERAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LONG TERM, NOT ALWAYS. IT'S IT'S I'VE STARED AT THIS. I PUT IT DIFFERENT WAYS. I CAN'T FIND A METHOD TO THE MADNESS. IT JUST IS HOW THE MARKET RESPONDS. AND THERE ARE TIMES THAT ARE HIGH AND TIMES THAT AREN'T. ARE THERE CHANCE WE CAN USE AVERAGE INSTEAD OF ONE MONTH? YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR SURE. I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL LIKE A STUDY YOU CAN TAKE ON. OKAY. SO YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO AM I ON HERE? CAN'T EVEN FIGURE THIS OUT. YEAH. THERE WE GO. I WOULD TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. EXPLORE DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES. THIS SOUNDS LIKE A VERY SIMPLISTIC ONE, BUT IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A DATA POINT, RIGHT? SO IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE DATA POINT, IT'S GOING TO TO FROM A STATISTICAL STATISTICAL STANDPOINT, IT'S OFTENTIMES GOING TO BE OFF. SO I LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR IS PROPOSING. AND MAYBE IF THERE IS, YOU CAN COME BACK WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. YOU SAID SOME OF THE NOBODY ELSE IS USING THIS. OKAY. WELL, LET'S REFINE THAT PROCESS AS PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS. OKAY. SO I TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. SO YEAH. SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE. SO THAT'S A CLARIFYING, CLARIFYING QUESTION. PERIOD OF TIME. OKAY. SO FINISH THIS AND WE'LL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MAYOR I HAVE ONE SPEAKER SLIP ON THIS ITEM AND THAT IS MIKE GRANT. THANKS FOR BRINGING THIS BACK AND BRINGING IT UP, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY THOUGHT 1.7, I STARTED THINKING YOU GUYS WERE GETTING THESE BY SIX MONTHS AND TRYING TO DOUBLE UP ON IT, WHICH I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WAS OKAY. HOPEFULLY HERE IN OCTOBER. FOR OLD PEOPLE LIKE ME, WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING ABOUT 3.6 TO 3.8 FOR US OLDIES. MIKE DON'T SMILE. YOU'RE GOING TO GET ONE TOO. JOHN YOU'RE NOT THERE YET. BUT THE POINT OF WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THIS STAFF. I'VE SEEN A CHANGE IN ABOUT THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, TWO AND A HALF YEARS OR SOMETHING. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S LIKE CAN WE HELP YOU? YOU KNOW, AND THEY'RE RESPONSIVE SOMETIMES. IN THE PAST, IT WAS LIKE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO TALK. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HELP. I JUST KIND OF FELT THAT WAY ABOUT THINGS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE US LOSE PEOPLE. WE GOT A GOOD THING ROLLING. AREN'T WE NUMBER ONE? SOMETHING'S. GENE, IS SOMETHING GOING RIGHT HERE? IS IT ON YOUR COMPUTER FLASHING? SO WHY WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT TO GO AHEAD AND BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE ACTUAL COLA [01:40:08] FOR US OLD GUYS GET? 3.6 IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROBABLY PICK UP IN OCTOBER. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, COME ON. WE COULD PROBABLY TAKE SOME CUT AND PAY ACROSS THIS TABLE HERE AND YOU KNOW, PASS IT ON TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING IN THE EIGHT AND TEN HOUR DAYS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. JUST KIDDING. BUT I WANT TO SEE I WANT TO SEE US KEEP THE PEOPLE WE HAVE IN TOWN. I DON'T WANT TO SEE, SEE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF FLOPPING SEATS AND PEOPLE MOVING ON. AND IT ALSO GIVES ME SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT AT THE LEGION HALL ABOUT HOW DUBLIN'S NUMBER ONE, AND THAT'S IN PLEASANTON. AND THEY'RE GIVING ME H EVERY DAY ABOUT IT WHEN I JOKE WITH THEM. SO LET'S COUGH IT UP. LET'S COME BACK WITH SOME AND GET RID OF THIS 1.7 UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TIMES TWO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MIKE. SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. GO AHEAD. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR THE REPORT. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR JOSE, FOR BRINGING THIS UP A SECOND TIME. APPARENTLY AS, AS THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID YOU KNOW, WE WERE WE WERE JUST RATED THE NUMBER ONE CITY TO LIVE IN, IN CALIFORNIA. AND I GENUINELY FEEL OUR EMPLOYEES THE STAFF HERE AT DUBLIN ARE OUR, ARE OUR MOST VALUABLE ASSET. I, AND FROM A FIDUCIARY STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY CHEAPER, MORE ECONOMICAL TO RETAIN THAN TRY TO RECRUIT AND, AND RETRAIN. I ALSO THINK YOU KNOW, NOT JUST FROM A NUMBERS PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THE MORALE AND COMMITMENT AND LOYALTY. YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMITMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR STAFF IS, IS UNMATCHED. SO I'M DEFINITELY IN SUPPORT OF BRINGING THIS BACK AND HAVING FURTHER DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT? I DO. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE COLLEAGUES HERE ON THE DAIS. AND THANK YOU FOR NODDING YOUR HEADS TO BRING IT BACK THE SECOND TIME AROUND. I COMPLETELY ECHO YOUR SENTIMENTS THAT THE STAFF ARE OUR MOST IMPORTANT ASSET, AND WE HAVE REALLY GOOD STAFF HERE. AND I WAS PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION HERE TONIGHT, BUT I THINK I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT CLOSED SESSION IS THE PLACE TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS. AND SO WHAT I WILL DO INSTEAD IS ASK THAT WE GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF TO BRING THIS BACK AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. I KNOW WE MAY HAVE CLOSED SESSION ITEMS ALREADY, BUT I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO DO THIS. WE'VE ALREADY DELAYED IT LONGER THAN WE SHOULD. AND SO I WOULD HOPE TO GET HEAD NODS TO HAVE IT ON OUR CLOSED SESSION FOR OUR VERY NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. AND AT THAT POINT, WE WOULD BE PREPARED TO HAVE SOMETHING WE COULD MOVE FORWARD WITH. BECAUSE I THINK WE DO NEED TO NOT JUST TALK ABOUT HOW VALUABLE OUR STAFF IS TO US, BUT MAKE CLEAR TO THEM HOW VALUABLE THEY ARE TO US. AND SO I HOPE THAT WE HAVE HEAD NODS TO MOVE SOMETHING FORWARD ON OUR VERY NEXT MEETING. ANY COMMENTS? NO, NO. THEY SAID IT ALL. I'M SUPPORTIVE. LET'S GET SOME FEEDBACK. YEAH. I THINK WE GIVE DIRECTION AND STAFF WILL WORK ON SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND BRING TO THE CLOSED SESSION. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY VERY GOOD. AND AGENDA ITEM NINE. [9. CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL REPORTS ] CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL REPORTS. I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I SHOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THIS EARLIER. WE HAD A RESIDENT THAT TALKED ABOUT SCARLETT DRIVE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE, WE KNOW ARE PROBLEMATIC IN THAT AREA BECAUSE THE PIPE HASN'T BEEN RELOCATED AND WE CAN'T MAKE THE MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED UNTIL THAT HAPPENS. ONE OF THEM IS THE LEFT TURNING LANE ONTO ONTO DOUGHERTY. WE'RE AWARE OF IT. THERE'S, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW EXCEPT TRY TO PUSH THAT PROJECT FORWARD. WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW IS MAKE SMALL IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA THAT I THINK WILL ADDRESS A LOT OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU'VE BEEN EMAILED. AND WE'VE HEARD ABOUT STRIPING ON THE ROAD, CERTAINLY VISIBILITY OF THAT STOP SIGN. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE HOA TO TRIM, TRIM UP THOSE BUSHES AND LOOK TO SEE IF THAT STOP SIGN IS REALLY DOING WHAT IT SHOULD. AND THEN OF COURSE, WE'LL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THE BIGGER IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW THE, HOW THE PIPELINE RELOCATION PROJECT MOVES FORWARD. LASTLY, THE CITY HAS A PARTNERSHIP WITH BAY AREA SUN CHAIRS. AND STARTING TODAY, DUBLIN RESIDENTS CAN ACCESS DISCOUNTS ON HOME, SOLAR AND BATTERY STORAGE THROUGH THAT PARTNERSHIP. IT RUNS THROUGH NOVEMBER 15TH, AND IF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE, VISIT BAY AREA SUN.ORG. AND LASTLY, THERE IS ONE MORE WEEKEND TO ENJOY THE WAVE FOR THIS YEAR. SO THE WATER PARK FINAL DAY IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 7TH, LABOR DAY. [01:45:01] THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. JOHN, YOU WANT TO REPORT? YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. WELL, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS ON MY SIDE. WE DO HAVE A SUMMER BREAK FROM AVA. THE COMMISSION I'M ON BUT IN THE INTERIM, I HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE, AND I WILL REPORTING BACK THE OVERALL FINANCIALS OF AVA IN NOVEMBER. SECONDLY, I HAD THE WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN CHIEF FOX AT SHAMROCK HILLS. WE GAVE A CIVICS CLASS TO FOURTH GRADERS, AND WE'VE DONE THIS TWICE ALREADY. CHIEF, IS THAT RIGHT? AND I THINK EVERY YEAR WE'RE STARTING TO RUN OUT OF REALLY GOOD ANSWERS FOR THESE KIDS. SO WE'LL HAVE TO UP THE GAME HERE NEXT TIME. THAT'S IT FOR ME, MAYOR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. SURE. A LITTLE OFF THE BEATEN TRACK HERE. I PARTICIPATED IN A FOOD PREP AND DISTRIBUTION WITH CITY SERVE, AND IT HAPPENED TO BE THROUGH ROTARY. BUT I THINK THIS BRINGING IT OUT HERE AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS IS A COMMUNITY. COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US HERE. SO I DID THAT AND THEN OBVIOUSLY HAS ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT UP BY OUR SPEAKER. I DID ATTEND THE FIREARMS SAFETY SEMINAR AND I WILL SAY IT WAS A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE SOME, SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS. AND PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY VERY INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC. AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD DO OTHER TYPES OF SAFETY, PUBLIC SAFETY AND OTHER TOPICS AS WELL. BUT THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT ITEM. AND I'M GLAD I, I, HOPEFULLY I ADDED VALUE TO IT. THEN, THEN WE JUST HAD THE FINANCE AND INVESTMENT COMMITTEE MEETING AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD MEETING. WE GOT SOME STUFF DONE AND NOT ANYTHING TO REPORT, BUT IT WAS JUST A GOOD TECHNICAL MEETING. THANK YOU MIKE. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I ATTENDED THE BUSINESS ANNIVERSARY BREAKFAST. IT WAS GREAT CELEBRATING SO MANY LOCAL BUSINESSES, SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN HERE FOR, I DON'T KNOW, 40, 50 YEARS. QUITE, QUITE IMPRESSIVE. THE FINANCE INVESTMENT COMMITTEE MEETING JUST, JUST BEFORE THIS AND THEN I'VE GOT TWO ASKS OF COUNCIL. THE NUMBER NUMBER ONE IS SEPTEMBER IS HUNGER ACTION MONTH. SO THIS IS BY THE ALAMEDA COUNTY FOOD BANK AND WAS HOPING WE CAN GET HEAD NODS TO GET A PROCLAMATION IN OUR NEXT MEETING. OKAY, AWESOME. AND THEN THE SECOND IS SO SUNFLOWER HILL LAST YEAR DURING THE GALA, I ADOPTED A CHICKEN NAMED PEACE AND HOPE. AND AT THIS NEXT GALA, WHICH IS ON OCTOBER 3RD, I WAS HOPING TO PRESENT A PROCLAMATION CALLING PEACE AND HOPE THE UNOFFICIAL MASCOT OF DUBLIN. IF YOU. IF YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO THAT CHICKEN. A CHICKEN, YES, NOT A LEPRECHAUN. UNOFFICIAL. UNOFFICIAL. UNOFFICIAL. YEAH, SURE. OKAY. AWESOME. THANK YOU. AND YEAH HAPPY LABOR DAY, EVERYONE. HOPE YOU HAVE A NICE LONG WEEKEND. GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. YEAH. I WAS ALSO AT THE BUSINESS ANNIVERSARY EVENT AS I THINK MOST OF US WERE IN ALWAYS A HIGHLIGHT OF THE YEAR. GETTING A CHANCE TO, TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS IN DUBLIN FOR DECADES. REALLY FUN. ALSO I WENT TO THE FIRST NIGHT MARKET OF THE YEAR. KUDOS TO PARK STAFF EVENT STAFF. IT WAS REALLY WELL ATTENDED. GREAT MUSIC, GREAT VIBE. I APPRECIATE THE WEATHER THEY ORDERED FOR THAT NIGHT. IT WAS, IT WAS IT WAS REALLY A FUN TIME AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE ADDITIONAL ONES THIS YEAR. I ALSO WENT TO THE EAST BAY REGIONAL PARKS COMMUNITY RESOURCE FAIR AT MIDDLE PARK, WHICH WAS FAIRLY WELL ATTENDED AND THEY HAD SOME REALLY GREAT BOOTHS SET UP FOR FOLKS TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE PARKS. SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR VOLUNTEERS AND INTERNSHIPS FOR YOUTH AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T CHECKED OUT WHAT EAST BAY REGIONAL PARKS HAVE OFFERED IN OUR AREA, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME REALLY FUN THINGS GOING ON. AND THEN I DO HAVE TWO ASKS. ONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF I HAVE HEAD NODS TO BRING BACK AN ITEM FOR US TO DISCUSS ZONING REGULATIONS AROUND DATA CENTERS, WHICH IS CERTAINLY A HOT TOPIC IN THE THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW, BUT ALSO AS FALLON EAST STARTS TO DEVELOP WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT DIRECTLY ADDRESSES DATA CENTERS. AND THAT WOULD BE AN AREA WHERE I THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTEREST. AND SO I'D LOVE FOR US TO GET AHEAD OF IT, SIMILAR TO THE KINDS OF THINGS WE MIGHT HAVE DONE. YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE DOING AROUND SPECIFIC TYPES OF BUSINESSES, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, THINGS LIKE THAT. CERTAINLY I'M NOT COMPARING DATA CENTERS TO TOBACCO AND, AND FIREARMS, BUT SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EXPLICITLY DISCUSS IN THE CODE. SO I'M SEEING A COUPLE HEAD NODS. SO I THINK WE HAVE THREE. GOOD. AND THEN THE LAST ONE I WOULD LIKE SOME HEAD NODS TO ASK STAFF TO ENGAGE WITH THE POSTMASTER GENERAL ON A MORE, [01:50:03] A HIGHER LEVEL THAN WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. WE, THE, WE HAVE OVER 70,000 PEOPLE IN A SINGLE POST OFFICE. THAT POST OFFICE HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC IN THE HOURS THAT IS OFFERED. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LOBBY HOURS AT ALL OUTSIDE OF WORK HOURS. SO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DROP OFF THEIR MAIL DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. THEY'VE TAKEN OUT THE OUTSIDE MAILBOXES. THERE'S NOT EVEN A SLOT. IN ADDITION, WHEN NEW HOMES COME ONLINE UNTIL THE ENTIRE STREET IS COMPLETE, OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TO GO TO SAN RAMON TO PICK UP THEIR MAIL. THE THE POST OFFICE DOESN'T DELIVER TO THOSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION APARTMENT UNITS AND SUCH. AND THEY DON'T EVEN LEAVE THE MAIL AT THE DUBLIN POST OFFICE. WE HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY TO SAN RAMON TO GET IT. AND I THINK WE ARE A BIG ENOUGH ENTITY NOW THAT THAT SHOULDN'T BE THE CASE. SO I'D LIKE HEAD NODS TO ASK STAFF TO ENGAGE FOR CLARIFICATION. WHAT'S THE ASK? GO AHEAD. MY, MY, MY ASK IS FOR US TO GIVE FORMAL DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF PRESSURE ON THE POSTMASTER GENERAL THAT'S LOCATED IN SAN RAMON TO GET THOSE ISSUES ADDRESSED, BECAUSE WE'VE COMPLAINED ABOUT THEM SEVERAL TIMES AND THEY'RE WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY PROGRESS. I HAVE. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY REPORT. VICE MAYOR. SO A LOT OF THINGS ACTUALLY HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST TWO WEEKS. AND I WILL SAY WE, I, I WAS IN A RIBBON CUTTING FOR A MONTESSORI SCHOOL PRESCHOOL NEAR THE DEFENDANT MIDDLE SCHOOL. THEY JUST HAD A, I THINK IT'S 15 YEARS OF CELEBRATION THERE. AND ALSO THE BUSINESS ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION WAS GREAT. WE GOT A LOT OF BUSINESSES FROM 20 YEARS TO 50 YEARS. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS TO CELEBRATE AND. ALWAYS HAVE A TV. 30. MAYOR'S REPORTS ON EVERY. ANOTHER THURSDAY. AND THEN I WAS INVITED TO SEVERAL INDIAN INDEPENDENCE DAY CELEBRATIONS. I THINK IT'S AUGUST THE 15TH. THAT'S THE DAY. SO THERE'S MANY CELEBRATIONS IN DIFFERENT PLACES. SEE NEXT THING. CHAMBER HAS AN EXPO IN HOLIDAY INN HOTEL. IT WAS GREAT. IT'S IT HAS A LOT OF BUSINESSES INVOLVED, ESPECIALLY LIKE A FULL TEN FOOD STANDS THERE. I THINK IT'S A VERY WELL ORGANIZED. SO I WAS THERE. OH, BECAUSE IF YOU FORGOT TO REPORT THAT ONE. SO YOU WERE THERE TOO. AND THAT THAT WAS A GOOD ONE. AND ALSO I WENT TO I WENT TO ACTUALLY A COUPLE OF AI BOOT CAMPS. SOMEBODY WAS THERE, BUT SOME, LIKE OTHER OFFICIALS, WERE INVITED THERE. IT'S, IT'S A GOOD EVENT, LOCAL EVENTS, BUT THEY PROVIDE TWO DAY TRAININGS FOR PEOPLE WANT TO LEARN ABOUT AI AGENT DEVELOPMENT JUST IN TWO DAYS AND THE ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. I CAN SAY PEOPLE ALL WANT TO GET INTO THIS TO LEARN ABOUT HOW THINGS WORKING. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE EVENTS ABOUT AI. ONE IS THIS, ANOTHER ONE IS AI APP. SO I SEE A LOT OF MOMENTUM THERE. OKAY, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR LAST TWO WEEKS AND HAPPY LABOR DAY. AND WITH THAT SAID, WE'LL CLOSE TODAY'S MEETING AT 8:55 P.M.. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.